7 minutes ago, VBHB said:

Do you dress up as well? Drive to the airport? Sign in at the Airline before getting your flight plan etc?

I sit naked, lather myself in oil and play gentle sounds of nature whilst I prepare the flight deck.

My ship, MY RULES.

1 hour ago, Makinen11 said:

It's funny there's people talking about how nice the efb and simbrief is on FBW and that the "fancy hydraulics and pump mechanics" will be on Fenix. The irony is these are already there on the FBW as they are modelling insane amounts of detail on the pumps and hydraulics, and even the weight and aerodynamic drag of the control surfaces. These are insane levels of detail that nothing until now has, payware or otherwise, but all together is what makes the FBW feel authentic and satisfying to fly. Just move the controls around, and see how the pressure drops when you only have the electric pump running with engines off, and hear it struggle and change in pitch as it's trying to build the pressure back up and tell me you don't feel you're in control of something real instead of a preprogrammed game that will do the same thing every time regardless.

So yeah, fancy pumps and hydraulics? FBW team already have those together with all the nice efb and sounds. So Fenix will have to do a hell of a job to surpass this. 

I could point out a lot of basic things the FBW has not got. But am sure the FBW team know only to well what they are. After years in the FSL you spot these things quickly. 

But..

I only tried the FBW 2-3 weeks ago and I was stunned at how good it is. It's easy in the paywear class. Fantastic. It also would not surprise me if one day its as good as anything out there. But its no FSL and am sure from what I know about Prosim and what I've seen its no Fenix.

If people are happy with the FBW and it suits your needs then I would stay away from the Fenix. Pointless spening the cash for things you might not care about and there is nothing wrong in that. Each to there own.

It's also very petty/childish to belittle people for liking one or the other. Everyone could have and enjoy both. There is no right or wrong.( thats not at you Makinen11 just a general comment)

 

Edited May 13, 20224 yr by Nyxx

2 hours ago, VBHB said:

Do you dress up as well? Drive to the airport? Sign in at the Airline before getting your flight plan etc?

Lol. Guess we all have different expectations as well as different ways of "simming" 😄

As for me - I'm not interested in the simulation of failures - at all. This comes down to not having the time, nor the patience to learn how to deal with those failures. I'm more than happy flying these aircraft in terms of normal flight procedures. The occasional go-around as well as relatively complex VOR/NDB approaches gives me more than enough thrill. 

I'd be completely lost if there ever was a failure in the electrical system, hydraulic system, a circuit breaker that pops etc. If I ever had a single engine failure I'd be completely lost. 

Guess I'm completely happy to have "a toy that never breaks" 😉

@Cpt_Piett The joy of an Airbus though is that it walks you through most failures on the ECAM screen with an interactive checklist, and the the Status page tells you all the imitations you have after taking all the requested steps. So you can get away with not knowing to a large extent!

Edit: Not sure "joy" is the right word to use in this context 😅

Edited May 13, 20224 yr by ckyliu

I have no interest in simulating failures, but I do want procedures to be more than just pushing buttons like a robot with no consequences when you get it right or wrong. That's why I love the Maddog and that's why I want the Phoenix.

 

When I just want to fly without thinking and without consequences I have other types of aeroplanes like Carenado

2 hours ago, Scottoest said:

The Fenix has the small added advantage of probably being days away from, y'know, existing in the sim lol.  Sounds like FSL's MSFS projects are at least months away

I think you're confused between FBW (the flybywire opensource project and FSL FlightSimLabs payware bus). I am talking about the FBW one which was mentioned a few posts above. FSL is a different story and yes, years away probably. 

1 hour ago, Nyxx said:

I could point out a lot of basic things the FBW has not got. But am sure the FBW team know only to well what they are. After years in the FSL you spot these things quickly. 

But..

I only tried the FBW 2-3 weeks ago and I was stunned at how good it is. It's easy in the paywear class. Fantastic. It also would not surprise me if one day its as good as anything out there. But its no FSL and am sure from what I know about Prosim and what I've seen its no Fenix.

If people are happy with the FBW and it suits your needs then I would stay away from the Fenix. Pointless spening the cash for things you might not care about and there is nothing wrong in that. Each to there own.

It's also very petty/childish to belittle people for liking one or the other. Everyone could have and enjoy both. There is no right or wrong.( thats not at you Makinen11 just a general comment)

 

Agreed, but just to be clear : did you try the experimental version with all the bells and whistles? I'm not saying the FBW is the most complete by the way, we are all aware there plenty of stuff that is work in progress before it's anywhere near version 1.0. The main reason for my post was to make sure people are aware the FBW is more than a pretty face with nice EFB and sounds. It has all that and the depth under the skin, with the obvious caveat there's a lot more to do still. Engine systems modelling, pneumatics and pressurisation, new external model, autopilot modes to be finished etc. 

In short, when Fenix comes along it will have all that from day 1 as a payware, but the FBW will eventually catch up and why not surpass it. 

Edited May 13, 20224 yr by Makinen11

39 minutes ago, Makinen11 said:

Agreed, but just to be clear : did you try the experimental version with all the bells and whistles? I'm not saying the FBW is the most complete by the way, we are all aware there plenty of stuff that is work in progress before it's anywhere near version 1.0. The main reason for my post was to make sure people are aware the FBW is more than a pretty face with nice EFB and sounds. It has all that and the depth under the skin, with the obvious caveat there's a lot more to do still. Engine systems modelling, pneumatics and pressurisation, new external model, autopilot modes to be finished etc. 

In short, when Fenix comes along it will have all that from day 1 as a payware, but the FBW will eventually catch up and why not surpass it. 

I only use the experimental version.

I've never understood why some people dismiss higher fidelity as hogwash. One can always use less than what's offered. People can't use more than what's offered.

5 hours ago, Cpt_Piett said:

I have to agree with this. Even if such systems were implemented in a very sophisticated way, I’d probably not be able to appreciate it. A few would certainly notice, like 737NG driver and flightdeck2sim in terms of PMDG’s 737, and 320SimPilot with the Fenix.

For me an overall simming experience is the crucial point. Here the FBW pretty much nails it. 

I agree........ ADMIRAL Piett. 

(Promoted after a Vader death choke; now that's career progression) 😄

13 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I've never understood why some people dismiss higher fidelity as hogwash. One can always use less than what's offered. People can't use more than what's offered.

Totally! Plus - they fly better. By that, I mean they behave ad you'd expect so are actually easier to simply hand fly.😃

53 minutes ago, WestAir said:

I've never understood why some people dismiss higher fidelity as hogwash

You certainly pay that premium to be a pretend glorified bus driver!!

Edited May 13, 20224 yr by VBHB

6 hours ago, VBHB said:

Maybe it'll come with the -800 but honestly it's a pretty meh experience as we've all fliwn a 737 they don't change!

As right as you are, its a completely  different flying experience from P3d. 

16 minutes ago, VBHB said:

You certainly pay that premium to be a pretend glorified bus driver!!

You own a GTX 3070. Can you really down-talk someone who spends $70 on a game add-on?

Edited May 13, 20224 yr by WestAir

1 hour ago, WestAir said:

I've never understood why some people dismiss higher fidelity as hogwash. One can always use less than what's offered. People can't use more than what's offered.

The Main deal is having to pay a premium, when you don’t need the premium features.  And the fact that half the study sim crowd throws poop at anyone who tries to do the middle thing, thus ensuring that expensive products with extremely long development cycles are the only options available (other than low end trash)  QW and things like the aerosoft bus are the sweet spot for me.  Also, high fidelity developers don’t feel they can develop a product unless they have copious mfg data, which is rational for that sort of product but it means that the only things they can simulate are older airframes, that the manufacturer doesn’t rigorously protect.  So, no 787, Airbus 220, or 350 etc…  

I’m happy that the high fidelity sims exist, I tend to own them for the reasons above, I just wish the high fidelity crowd would tolerate the other side better.