You may want to watch this before upgrading:

 

1 hour ago, micstatic said:

thanks.  Just trying to field opinions here.  I'd rather not have to toggle back in forth between 60 and 30 if possible.  Use the computer for work too, and having a 43" 4k screen with mouse lag is not workable.  Testing also...

On my TV Judder reduction works seems to work at any supported refresh up to up to 50hz. If I set the refresh rate to 60hz the TV turns judder reduction off automatically. I haven't tried any unsupported refresh rates. I don't think it really matters which Vsync option you use NCP or the in sim graphics setting. Although the in sim graphics Vsync setting will automatically limit your fps to whatever you set the refresh rate to in NCP. Not sure if the same is true of setting Vsync outside the sim.

If you run this setup at 30hz half your frames are from the graphics card and half are generated by the TV's hardware for 60fps on screen. It is crucial that the graphics card delivers 30fps to the TV otherwise you will get stutters. That's a no brainer. So if you pan to fast you will get artifacts. I use TrackIR5 and its a balancing act here. you have to tweak your TIR and your mouse speed and zoom setting in the sim so as not to get artifacts will panning. That's a little work to get right.

On last thing concerning refresh rate. In the air I use 29hz and on Taxi, climb out, approach, landing and taxi to gate I use 23hz. Does that mean I have to pause, hit start, open NCP, set refresh rate, hit apply, close NCP and click resume every time I want to change the refresh rate? No! I use an app called HRC (Hotkey Resolution Changer) which allows me to assign a keyboard shortcut to switch refresh rate on the fly. So on approach at 29hz (58fps) and soon as I see any hint of the FPS dropping below the required level I hit the appropriate key and in an instance switch to 23hz (46fps). The down side is that you get a black screen for a 1/4 second on refresh rate change. everything is pros and cons here.

On my setup with content that will run at 60fps at 60hz the same content looks smoother at 30hz with the judder reduction set to 10 in the TV setting for 60fps. Personally, I cannot discern any lag.

One other thing, I find that it doesn't work well at 50hz for MSFS. even if the scenario allows for 50fps+ from the graphics card I still get stutter even thought the Judder reduction is active. However, not so with Codemasters F1. At 50hz with the judder reduction filter on 10 I'm getting 100fps for the less than the price (hardware impact) of 60fps with out it. And the difference between the two is very obvious. The former being far better.

Here are the spec. Its right in there: https://www.displayspecifications.com/en/model/030013b1

1 hour ago, 177B said:

You may want to watch this before upgrading:

I don't think he mentioned he was in DX12 in MSFS which is purported to use multicore better.

20 minutes ago, FBW737 said:

No! I use an app called HRC (Hotkey Resolution Changer) which allows me to assign a keyboard shortcut to switch refresh rate on the fly.

I have been wondering if something like this exists,

Thank You

I have to play around with it.  I've noticed when I go from PC input mode to game the text on the screen is almost like over exposed.  Tough to explain

2 hours ago, 177B said:

You may want to watch this before upgrading:

 

Indicates single thread performance is still the limiting factor (no surprise here)... so which processor will provide the highest single thread performance for MSFS?

2 hours ago, odourboy said:

Indicates single thread performance is still the limiting factor (no surprise here)... so which processor will provide the highest single thread performance for MSFS?

Currently, for MSFS, it appears to still be AMD's 5800X3D.

I5's run much cooler and have 6 cores.

Cooling is a huge issue in PC's, both noise wise and crash wise.

Interestingly XForcePC builds Xplane and FS2020 systems and they use i5's in most of them.

They also don't really recommend 4090's as they are spec hogs and use twice the watts of a 3080 for 20% fps improvement at twice the price.

I am still running my old i5 on 4 1080 screens and still have great performance (IMHO) using an old 1070.

If I was upgrading my 6 year old system I would do all of it, not just processor. And go to W11 at that point. Then someone will get a great deal on well running system.😃

i was toying with a 13600/700k/5800X3D even for a week or two now to go with my newish 3080 v2 , but that would mean a new mobo DDR 5 maybe,

however i got my 9900k running stable at 5.3 stable and coolish,  HT off with the artic freezer II , and by golly its a little zippy. i think i will hang on a while and see how the dust settles 🙂

AMD is the answer.  Forget about overclocking which is something to do with the 90's due to bad system design.  

My 5900x rocks all by itself so no need to appy black magic.

sp

Edited October 31, 20223 yr by Sky_Pilot071

AMD might be the answer for both GPU and CPU at this point. The new 7900xt is supposed to be more efficient per watt, a substantial increase in per watt performance supposedly. Though we will have to wait for benchmarks. Overall, the slightly less powerful 7800xt might be the best buy of the year, as far as bang for buck (we shall see). It could beat the 6900xt and cost less, but again, we will see. The 7900xt is going to easily be faster than the 3090 in MSFS, and for a lot less money and wattage than the 4090. Whether or not it is as fast as the 4090, maybe not, but it should get close at least and for less wattage and less money.

Of course AMD is still the second-rate player in GPU's, so there is that. I just hope the driver doesn't have "refresh rate reset" issues with the HP Reverb G2 like the 6900xt does (at least with my display it did). If it solves that one issue, I'm fine going with an AMD I think, though I'd have to try to know for sure. I had to return my 6900xt and get a slower Nvidia 3800 mainly because it kept resetting my refresh rate in VR (it got incredibly annoying) and occasionally this would even trigger a CTD.

The other issue was the fan noise (as I've noted many times), though part of this is for some reason in MSFS, the Nvidia is quicker to become CPU limited, and I was able to run the 6900xt at 90%+ GPU use in MSFS even with only a 5800x. The 6900xt was a bit faster than the 3800-12GB due to this issue, maybe by 15% to 20%. It was about the same as a 3080 TI (maybe even slightly faster).

Edited October 31, 20223 yr by Alpine Scenery

11 hours ago, micstatic said:

thanks.  Just trying to field opinions here.  I'd rather not have to toggle back in forth between 60 and 30 if possible.  Use the computer for work too, and having a 43" 4k screen with mouse lag is not workable.  Testing also...

I can confirm the app Hotkey Resolution Changer works flawlessly and is super easy to setup. I have 2 keys programmed on my Stream Deck XL now that I can switch between 30Hz & 50Hz

Is AMD still making the Ryzen 7 5800x3D, 9 5900X, or 9 5950X?  Just seems like a lot of places are out.

Thanks.

Edited November 1, 20223 yr by Dreamflight767

9 hours ago, Alpine Scenery said:

AMD might be the answer for both GPU and CPU at this point. The new 7900xt is supposed to be more efficient per watt, a substantial increase in per watt performance supposedly. Though we will have to wait for benchmarks. Overall, the slightly less powerful 7800xt might be the best buy of the year, as far as bang for buck (we shall see). It could beat the 6900xt and cost less, but again, we will see. The 7900xt is going to easily be faster than the 3090 in MSFS, and for a lot less money and wattage than the 4090. Whether or not it is as fast as the 4090, maybe not, but it should get close at least and for less wattage and less money.

Of course AMD is still the second-rate player in GPU's, so there is that. I just hope the driver doesn't have "refresh rate reset" issues with the HP Reverb G2 like the 6900xt does (at least with my display it did). If it solves that one issue, I'm fine going with an AMD I think, though I'd have to try to know for sure. I had to return my 6900xt and get a slower Nvidia 3800 mainly because it kept resetting my refresh rate in VR (it got incredibly annoying) and occasionally this would even trigger a CTD.

The other issue was the fan noise (as I've noted many times), though part of this is for some reason in MSFS, the Nvidia is quicker to become CPU limited, and I was able to run the 6900xt at 90%+ GPU use in MSFS even with only a 5800x. The 6900xt was a bit faster than the 3800-12GB due to this issue, maybe by 15% to 20%. It was about the same as a 3080 TI (maybe even slightly faster).

All in all then; a compelling case to stick to nvidia for a graphics card 👀

30 minutes ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

All in all then; a compelling case to stick to nvidia for a graphics card 👀

The fan noise is the only issue that might sway me to keep the Nvidia, but I think I can get used to it.

Not for me, depends on the price, if the AMD works fine, it works fine.
It actually worked fine in VR, except that one bug, but I can live with it at this point.
I rarely use VR anymore, it's rough on my eyes. I like it, but my eyes do not.