15 hours ago, BlodhemnUK said:

Running with a clean boot curently and getting 13fps over new york

Whatever 'advice' you follow here just be certain you know your hardware is fully capable of delivering fabulous performance and don't accept anything less--that means liquid smooth animation w/ a virtual absence of all stutters of any kind.  Doing a smart overclock is not a problem at all once you understand a few basics so take your time and learn about it then do it absolutely because this sim needs every CPU cycle you can safely make available.  I have been o/clocking CPU for decades with no untoward effects, all cores, with wonderful temps on air cooling.  My CPU is slightly less capable than yours and all 8 cores run at 5.0Ghz and hardly break a sweat w/ temps in the 48-56C range at full load and all settings on Ultra except T-LOD which is the most demanding element of the sim on your CPU.  A couple of months ago I began getting tired of a few subtle recurrent stutters, never bad 'performance' per se in terms of frame rate, but after a clean install of Windows and a bunch of troubleshooting and testing I can say w/o equivocation I now enjoy perfectly fluid animation and complete lack of stutters now from gate to gate in the most complex planes and airports and weather the sim offers.  Your 4K resolution demands a consderably more from your hardware than does my 3440x1440 display but that you can adjust for.  If you're not married to your TV and might consider a PC screen the absolute first priority is to be sure you have a Gsync enabled display, and one with true hardware module based Gsync (not Gsync "compatible").   

Here is the end result of what it took for me to get to Sim Nirvana, and it truly is, I have exactly zero need for new hardware unless Asobo ups the weather or something that puts major new demand on hardware.

https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/628655-ultimate-smoothness-at-modest-frame-rates/?do=findComment&comment=4899096

Expecting him to overclock when he clearly has some configuration or hardware problems, doesn't help at all. He should have a very good performance without any overclocking.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by crimplene

42 minutes ago, SierraHotel said:

I said stop worrying about it, not ignore it. i.e. you don't need 120fps to get a smooth flight. Or to put it another way, you can have 120fps, but it still looks word not allowed.......................

Lets put it this way: You dont need high framerates to have a smooth sim. But you need stable fps. Even locking to 30 will not guarantee smoothness when you can't hold 30.

During my first ever flight qith MSFS i used to lock my fps to 30 and for some reason they randomly dropped to 29 for a second every once in a while. It was just awful! I am happy this is solved long ago.

30 minutes ago, crimplene said:

Expecting him to overclock when he clearly has some configuration or hardware problems, doesn't help at all. He should have a very good performance without any overclocking.

I've covered WAY MORE than this, and will encourage him to do this once he figures out what's wrong.  There are no issues w/ stability when done correctly.  He needs all the CPU cycles he can muster expecially at 4K which absolutely puts more demand on his hardware.

12 minutes ago, Noel said:

I've covered WAY MORE than this, and will encourage him to do this once he figures out what's wrong.  There are no issues w/ stability when done correctly.  He needs all the CPU cycles he can muster expecially at 4K which absolutely puts more demand on his hardware.

I agree with Noel. His system should run MSFS just  beautifully. He says he's getting 8fps with no community folder - that tells me there is something amiss with his system setup. Changing his MSFS settings might be a bandaid but he needs to fix the underlying issue. I wouldn't be surprised if some other benchmark outside of MSFS would run slow. 

17 hours ago, BlodhemnUK said:

Hi all, hoping some of my fellow flight simmers can give me some advice as to where I am going wrong. 

I am completely confused and have tried so many things I have lost count. 

I thought I had a decent set up, but now I am starting to wonder. 

My system is as follows:-

Intel(R) Core(TM) i7-10700K CPU @ 3.80GHz

Geforce RTX 3090Ti

32Gb Ram

But I am struggling to get above 20 FPS, and anywhere built up I am as low as 8 FPS, even though my CPU and GPU are both only running at around 30% (although I do notice sometimes there may be one or two cpu cores running higher than the rest). As flying Helicopters is my preference, especially in VR, I simply cannot fly it with such low frame rates. 

I do have a fair few addons such as traffic via FSLTL, REX Weather Force, and I try to use FSHud for my ATC, but even without them running, I am getting these awful frame rates. At one time I was getting OK, but never great frame rates, but since the last couple patches, I seem to be getting worse frame rates than people with 1080Ti cards. 

Any one got any ideas? is my CPU not up too scratch?  I am so confused, and just want to fly...

Hoping someone out there can get back up in my Helicopters. 

Kind regards

Rob

 

 

I would not only update everything (Nvidia, Windows etc) but set Nvidia Control Panel to default. Just leave on Gsync (if you have it), High Performance Mode and the rest doesn't help much for me. I would avoid changing any settings with memory or CPU unless your BIOS has the ability to safely overclock without any throttling or heat issues. There is a lot of snake oil settings out there. 

You stated that you get FPS loss with or without those programs? Got it. I had that too. I did a reset of the settings, got rid of a bunch of freeware (I disabled most of it with the Addon Linker) and deleted "We Love VFR" and "Solar Farms" etc and noticed my FPS back. I was not only getting FPS drops after a longer flight but also CTD's. 

Your system should be good to go. I'd also lowered my LOD/TLOD to 150 and noticed very little quality difference. 

 

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Sonosusto

Try the following:

navigate to userbenchmark.com (Mods if against Avsim policy then delete) download the app (download link is at the top Free Download button) this is a simple benchmark utility that will yield your pc's performance results so you can verify the problem is not hardware/driver related. If satisfied with benchmark results, then:

launch sim

Turn off traffic

disable rolling catch 

set graphic settings to low (for now)

exit sim, reboot pc (not needed but just in case), launch sim

set graphic settings to High and test, if all ok, then tweak and increase settings to your eye-candy requirements.

Hope this helps.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by CarlosF

We need to determine if this is a PC problem or a MSFS problem. Download 3DMark. Run it and post results. If someone with similar specs can run the same test (or lookup results from others with similar specs) we can determine if this is MSFS related or not. 
 

 

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by RobJC

6 hours ago, BlodhemnUK said:

Just posted the MSFS2020 settings on Imgur. I have just toned these down a bit too, and made absolutely no difference that I could see. Even when I went do 1080 screen its same if not slower. 

 

Your CPU main thread is hammered.

This is preventing performance from your GPU

Open task manager, look at the cpu and view all the cores to see how they're loaded. Post an image.

Also view your programs on the task manager & monitor which programs are using CPU, only msfs should show significant usage. Just to be sure something running is not eating up CPU usage.

Set the terrain and object LOD to minimum, 50, 100 & 150 and report back. Post new image of Asobo developer frame counters.

Looking to get your CPU timing down under 30 ms ideally under 20ms and your GPU timing up as a start.

I had an issue before where if I run another program in the background (usually on a different monitor), the computer sometimes starts throttling the sim in favor of the program running in the background. It led to 15-20 FPS just like you're experiencing. 
The solution for me was to update Windows with the latest updates, and it was fixed.

However lately the issue has returned intermittently, maybe also because of a Windows update. 

Either way it could be smart to check that.

Edited January 6, 20233 yr by Republic3D

6 hours ago, BlodhemnUK said:

Just posted the MSFS2020 settings on Imgur. I have just toned these down a bit too, and made absolutely no difference that I could see. Even when I went do 1080 screen its same if not slower. 

Ok -- but can you post your Task Manager cpu and mem screens too?  And also I'd download the bench programs people suggested.  Empty Community folder for now.  Also no overclock for now.  You need to establish a baseline / expectations for your hardware as others suggested.  The bench progs will help you do that.

Also, in your MSFS settings screens -- a couple of things jumped out -- for now, set RENDER SCALE to 100.  You don't need to be downscaling to 90 when you're trying to set things up/ diagnose problem.   People have had issues with Render Scale set to anything but 100 in the past, and just to rule out any possible weirdness there, please set it at 100 while setting things up.

I wouldn't test on ULTRA.  Try a lower preset as suggested.  While your rig should be able to handle a TLOD of 200, I wouldn't run 200 when setting up the system.  I'd go 100 or 150 for now.

Also, the suggestions above new driver install are good ones.  I'd consider downloading and using DDU (Display Driver Uninstaller) or at least using the "clean install" checkbox when you install new nvidia drivers.  And yes as other suggest -- nvidia control panel to default.  Also make sure you know what hz your TV is refreshing at.  I know you posted what it's capable of (120 hz) but is it really doing that, should be the question you ask.

My system seems similar to yours:

i7-10700k + booster enabled - MSI RTX 2080ti - 48 LG OLEG 4k

My settings:

- Update BIOS
- hyperthreading OFF
- Process Lasso CPU Priority MSFS on high
-NVIDIA image scaling 85%
-Gsync ON
-on my TV Gsync ON an Freesync OFF!!! - this is important! If Freesync is on, it becomes a slideshow
-In MSFS everything is set to high, no ultra
-Screen Resolution 3840x2160
-DX 11
-TAA
- Render Scaling 40
-Terrain level 100
-Object level 100

And by the way, I had my 2080ti overclocked. Frame rates were always only around 35. However, as soon as I clicked "RESET" in MSI Afterburner, the rates jumped by around 10 to a stable 45. No idea, but the overclocking had rather negative effects on my system...

4 hours ago, Noel said:

I've covered WAY MORE than this, and will encourage him to do this once he figures out what's wrong.

process lasso, MSI afterburner, CapFrameX etc. all confusing and distracting at this moment.

I would also check in taskmanager if/what else is running and temporarily disable any antivirus or better yet: exclude all MSFS related directories from antivirus real time protection. disable/remove any addons temporarily from Community folder.

2 hours ago, turbomax said:

process lasso, MSI afterburner, CapFrameX etc. all confusing and distracting at this moment.

I would also check in taskmanager if/what else is running and temporarily disable any antivirus or better yet: exclude all MSFS related directories from antivirus real time protection. disable/remove any addons temporarily from Community folder.

I couched it all after giving straight advice re troubleshooting.  This information was for tuning after the serious defect(s) are resolved.

Are you sure you have your monitor plugged into the correct port at the back of your PC? In other words, you have it plugged into your GPU and not the onboard (motherboard) graphics port. It is an easy mistake to make.

I have not read thru all posts but have you established that this is ONLY a MSFS performance problem or is it affecting everything on your PC?

Edited January 7, 20233 yr by RaptyrOne