11 minutes ago, Dominique_K said:

You mean in this thread. I agree !

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15 hours ago, Swe_Richard said:

Nothing passive aggressive with that answer that I could tell? He seemed to merely point out the obvious? Each and every time PMDG is mentioned a certain kind of people will start the incessant whining. That is just a statement of fact...?

Correct. People get worked up over facts. What he said was factually correct and accurate. Nothing wrong with it. 

2 hours ago, Nixoq said:

They've produced some of the best addons you can get for some 20 years, so saying they seem to be severely lacking in any kind of knowledge is a bit much. I'm guessing it's more that they're having their hands a bit too full for a team their size and that they (evidently and by their own account) greatly misjudged the work required to develop for MSFS back in 2021-ish.

No no that was not a case of too much on the plate. They exclusively focused on the 737 MSFS since 2020 and abandoned P3D completely.
Also RSR himself over and over stated how they cannot solve technical/coding problems, remember when they were more or less idle for 4 months between 2021 and 2022 because they misunderstood how a part of MSFS worked, and then when they talked to Asobo and suddenly it was all working. Now for a year they have been fighting their way through developing a freakin‘ EFB, which - judging by RSR‘s posts - sounds comparable to the Apollo program in as no one ever had done this before. Meanwhile even the infamous FSS E-Jets have a EFB.
Yes, the quality of PMDG planes is incredibly high and constant for decades (which is why I love these products and buy all of them) and you can argue that quality takes time. But this is not valid anymore for an EFB when everyone and their grandma has solid EFBs in MSFS by now.

Also since we can argue that they „misjudged“ the development process for MSFS, don‘t you think that this should not happen for a team that has a clear cut level of competence and experience? At least not in that magnitude.

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

Also since we can argue that they „misjudged“ the development process for MSFS, don‘t you think that this should not happen for a team that has a clear cut level of competence and experience? At least not in that magnitude.

I don't know if it should or should not happen, but they certainly are not a bunch of hobbyists that lack any kind of knowledge, even if they had a hard time with MSFS initially.

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

sounds comparable to the Apollo program in as no one ever had done this before

It's not the Apollo program, for sure, but the problem they faced had not been solved before. Creating an EFB in MSFS isn't the hard part; getting that code to communicate with the WASM environment in which the PMDG airliner product line has been and is being developed, appears to be very hard. To my knowledge, no other developer has demonstrated that capability previously. If I understand the issue correctly, it appears that MS/Asobo has placed strong security constraints on such communications, so creating a robust pipeline between development environments has been challenging to say the least.

Just to head off another line of controversy that has been explored in great depth previously, it has been and remains PMDG's goal to release their products through three channels: their own web store, the Marketplace, and Xbox. They have been successful in the achieving the first two, and are hard on the trail of the third. To my knowledge no other MSFS developer of high fidelity aircraft have made such a commitment. This is hard stuff, but PMDG has been successful in releasing four B737 variants, and a number of subvariants over the past year or so. Not a bad record.

19 hours ago, Gilandred said:

They have two options.  They can say nothing, in which case the masses will complain.  Or, they can give a progress update, in which case the masses will complain.

True! I think some get a little obsessive sometimes.

I remember before the 737 was released PMDG was showing some textures in the cockpit and a bunch of people were clearly angry over the textures on one particular spot. Seriously? Acting worse than my toddler. Some even became obsessed with correcting grammar...

2 hours ago, Nixoq said:

I don't know if it should or should not happen, but they certainly are not a bunch of hobbyists that lack any kind of knowledge, even if they had a hard time with MSFS initially.

Honestly, from guys, who are nearly 30 years in the business I expect more, much more. After 30 years in Flight Sim business, PMDG should be a vision creator in terms of new features, etc. Right know, their only achievement is porting 737 from P3D to MSFS - of course without any new features, like CPDLC integration, but hey, we are PMDG, right - the best of the best in the business right? I will not mention the EFB, and Global Flight Operation, because it is already a joke. Company with such track record, "knowledge" and experience should not diverge so much from the timeframe it initially assumed re EFB (nearly 1 year of delay)

33 minutes ago, ark4diusz said:

Honestly, from guys, who are nearly 30 years in the business I expect more, much more. After 30 years in Flight Sim business, PMDG should be a vision creator in terms of new features, etc. Right know, their only achievement is porting 737 from P3D to MSFS - of course without any new features, like CPDLC integration, but hey, we are PMDG, right - the best of the best in the business right? I will not mention the EFB, and Global Flight Operation, because it is already a joke. Company with such track record, "knowledge" and experience should not diverge so much from the timeframe it initially assumed re EFB (nearly 1 year of delay)

Agreed, but before this goes too far, my whole point was there's no need to go overboard with rethoric like they severely lack any kind of knowledge, because that's just drama as usual. It's clear they aren't exactly having a nice time right now and I'm the first one to be annoyed about the EFB e.g. as someone flying in VR, but we've heard this all 1000 times before in the 1000 threads posted on it and the tenacity with which people keep banging the same drums is a bit peculiar, as if posting it for the 1001st time is going to make it come faster.

PMDG posted an update that's going nowhere and sure enough there's an avsim thread on it going, well, nowhere. 

Edited April 30, 20233 yr by Nixoq

Maybe a reminder. PMDG or A2A or Milviz or you-name-it don't owe us anything except delivering products which work as labelled. Thats it. Thats all. 

Since when announcing a product is a commitment ? Did they ask you for a cash advance ? What did you lose because they are late  ? Except your temper...  

They give us little bits of info about what they do.  Nice. Not enough ? Should they invent stuff ? Should they stay silent ? I don't think so.

 The petty acrimony which sweats out from some posts, every time Randazzo makes an update, is detestable.

Edited April 30, 20233 yr by Dominique_K

Agree that considering they’re supposed to be industry leaders they do lack innovation and new features.
I mean, where IS that third engine on the 737?🤔

PMDG's main issue lies with RSR, rather than their skilled programmers. Despite the high degree of accuracy in many systems, glitches are inevitable in software, just like real airplanes require updates. PMDG has created good products for the sim community since 1998, but certain bugs have remained unfixed over the years despite jumping from one aircraft and platform to another. The 737, 747, 777, and new DC6 all have known the same unfinished bugs. Some old customers may remember unfulfilled promises. While RSR's passion for this hobby is admirable, many do not appreciate his attention-seeking behavior or empty messages.

RSR actually is causing more harm to his business and reputation by moving on to the next project before completing the previous ones which results in many unresolved issues with the product. This behavior is a well-known problem with him and could ultimately lead to the downfall of his business. It seems like he is working against himself.

17 minutes ago, LRBS said:

PMDG's main issue lies with RSR, rather than their skilled programmers. Despite the high degree of accuracy in many systems, glitches are inevitable in software, just like real airplanes require updates. PMDG has created good products for the sim community since 1998, but certain bugs have remained unfixed over the years despite jumping from one aircraft and platform to another. The 737, 747, 777, and new DC6 all have known the same unfinished bugs. Some old customers may remember unfulfilled promises. While RSR's passion for this hobby is admirable, many do not appreciate his attention-seeking behavior or empty messages.

RSR actually is causing more harm to his business and reputation by moving on to the next project before completing the previous ones which results in many unresolved issues with the product. This behavior is a well-known problem with him and could ultimately lead to the downfall of his business. It seems like he is working against himself.

I purchased the DC6 when it first came out for MSFS. Right from the start I had problems with the GyroPilot working with the GPS. After reinstalling, test flying, etc.etc. I quit flying it, for around a year. I just recently started flying it again, thinking by this time, it should have been fixed,  and the Gyropilot problems, (which by the way, other users have been experiencing on several threads on their forum}  still exists. My guess is, it will never be fixed. Reminds me of the old guarantee " If it breaks in half, you get to keep both halves". 

I have less hassles with the 737 than I do with the FBW or Fenix. While I appreciate having the EFB in the Airbuses, and generally prefer the Airbus workflow than the Boeing, I fight with the overall addon less in the PMDG.

I am encouraged that the devs aren't telling him off with the EFB. It's closer. I look forward to it finally coming. I imagine people will rip it to shreds with "it took look this to get THIS???"

49 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

I have less hassles with the 737 than I do with the FBW or Fenix. While I appreciate having the EFB in the Airbuses, and generally prefer the Airbus workflow than the Boeing, I fight with the overall addon less in the PMDG.

I am encouraged that the devs aren't telling him off with the EFB. It's closer. I look forward to it finally coming. I imagine people will rip it to shreds with "it took look this to get THIS???"

The PMDG 737 is my favorite now along with the Cessna 310. I don't miss the EFB at all, so when and if we get it, is meaningless to me. 

I think we will see the PMDG 777 this year maybe Autumn (Sept) as I remember RSR was going for an Agressive release with this one... If it takes too long then people may well buy up the MD 11 the FBW A380 the Bluebird 757, A330 etc.. I think PMDG would be wise to get a good long hauler into the sim sooner rather than later...

 

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