1 hour ago, kdfw__ said:

Separately, that post asking about rf legs for 737 in a 777 update… that was akin to trolling. Which predictably resulted in drama here and elsewhere with this usual characters venting their creepy personal grievance against the dev.

Rob, is that you?

8 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

Rob, is that you?

Quite. 
 

Got to be the strangest post on the thread so far. 

2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

747 also in a interview the 747 is his favorite of the PMDG product line.

He has a 747 type rating with most likely no time in the actual plane.

 

a long time ago when the J41 came out, he was giving his resume out saying how he was the IAD chief pilot and he never made it to a bigger airline. 
 

I would love for someone to verifiably prove me wrong. Truly I would. 

2 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

He has a 747 type rating with most likely no time in the actual plane [...] I would love for someone to verifiably prove me wrong. Truly I would.

We can call out his poor customer service technique and his chosen business practices, but no need to try to character assassinate him.

RSR has far more irl flying hours logged than the vast majority of us here will ever have.

 

Back on topic, what do people think—will the MSFS version of their 777 bring anything new to the table?

I hope for those that will buy it that it's not just a replica of their P3D version with just prettier textures.

2 hours ago, ahsmatt7 said:

He has a 747 type rating with most likely no time in the actual plane.

 

a long time ago when the J41 came out, he was giving his resume out saying how he was the IAD chief pilot and he never made it to a bigger airline. 
 

I would love for someone to verifiably prove me wrong. Truly I would. 

You are implying the guy isn’t an aviator and not successful. He is a business jet pilot. Falcon and I think citation. Owns pmdg. On the board of numerous companies. Flew a dc3 across the pond. Fault him for his personality if you wish. But by most standards he is a highly accomplished person and aviator. 

9 minutes ago, F737MAX said:

I hope for those that will buy it that it's not just a replica of their P3D version with just prettier textures.

Not to worry, I would happily take that, since I really don't pay much attention to the textures anyway. I greatly enjoyed the T7 in P3D and no doubt will do so again in MSFS. So will most all of the people who actually purchase the product in the usual server-busting swarm in the first day or so, etc.

Yes, it would be great if we got better LNAV, RF legs, etc., but for me, at least, it's not a dealbreaker. And I would bet that the decision makers at PMDG (and most all other MSFS aircraft 3PDs) have made a similar calculation, as apparently do IRL aircraft manufacturers as well. So long as all the bolts are locked down, it's good enough for me.

Keep flying and have fun up there.

Youve got to give one thing to pmdg though, at least with their 737 series: it may be a lot of recycled code from fsx with new features added, but so far in the airliner space for msfs there is hardly anyone who has been able to touch their level of systems and flight model fidelity.  It just goes to show how strong their product base code was back in 2013, it has held up so well over the years.  I dont like rsr's attitude but I do get a lot of enjoyment out of their products.

6 hours ago, 2reds2whites said:

In other news I can't say that those screenshots look very impressive. They look like FSX. 

I see what you mean. Details on point but it look too cartoonish almost like the dynamic range was turned up on the monitor. There is no real to life depth or realism to it.

1 hour ago, Pilot53 said:

but so far in the airliner space for msfs there is hardly anyone who has been able to touch their level of systems and flight model fidelity. 

Fenix, Maddog, BAe-146, and the HJet would like to have a word with you.

7 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

Fenix, Maddog, BAe-146, and the HJet would like to have a word with you.

Lets be honest here outside of Maddog these are all a step below PMDG, Fenix is almost a side step, more complete in some areas, less complete in others.

The good news of this whole event is that I have to imagine LNAV is getting pushed up the priority list.  Squeaky wheel gets the grease

16 hours ago, inker said:

 actually listened to some interviews RR did. I remember distinctly during one such interview he was asked what other planes he likes to fly in flightsim. I think any of us could name a competitor and say some good things about it. Not RR, apparently he has no time to fly and if so only flies his own planes. That hints at two things, he's got no clue what the competition is doing, and two he doesn't care. In another interview he went on and on about how's dining with Senators and having them over at his house and that's why you need to sign your name on their forums. The guy just rubs me the wrong way all around.

Huh. That would be more believable if he hadn't told everyone to go buy the Maddog because it's very good when the 737 got delayed.

5 minutes ago, Bdub22 said:

Fenix, Maddog, BAe-146, and the HJet would like to have a word with you.

I haven't flown the Fenix, but of the other three, which you're right are all stellar, only one simulates failure modes. And that one, btw, has been catching no end of word not allowed right here on Avsim for, you guessed it, not innovating.

There are now lots of really good planes available for MSFS. Only a very few of them simulate abnormal operations. Only one of them gets anywhere close to the depth of a PMDG.

I don't always like the guy's attitude either, but he does make one fine product.

 

2 hours ago, micstatic said:

You are implying the guy isn’t an aviator and not successful. He is a business jet pilot. Falcon and I think citation. Owns pmdg. On the board of numerous companies. Flew a dc3 across the pond. Fault him for his personality if you wish. But by most standards he is a highly accomplished person and aviator. 

Oh come on…give me a break. I’m not implying anything. I responded to a post about him flying airliners. Specifically the 747. This is utterly ridiculous. I don’t mention anything about his other flying experience because the post I quoted didn’t mention anything about his other flying experience.

What I said is that he had a type rating in the jet with no actual experience. As far as his experience with the actual 747, he has none. Plain and simple. I then asked someone to prove me wrong because I don’t follow the guy gushing over his resume. That in no way diminishes his other accomplishments in his life. Good grief….

2 hours ago, F737MAX said:

We can call out his poor customer service technique and his chosen business practices, but no need to try to character assassinate him.

RSR has far more irl flying hours logged than the vast majority of us here will ever have.

 

Back on topic, what do people think—will the MSFS version of their 777 bring anything new to the table?

I hope for those that will buy it that it's not just a replica of their P3D version with just prettier textures.

Since when does talking about someone’s flying experience assassinate their character? I never once mentioned him as a human, a man, a business person. Heck, I never mentioned anything about his actual piloting skills and abilities. I just said he had a type with no real experience. 
 

Im sure the guy’s identity and character goes well past being a pilot. 
 

I don’t know the guy personally but I have never had an issue with him. 

2 hours ago, Bdub22 said:

Fenix, Maddog, BAe-146, and the HJet would like to have a word with you.

I acknowledge the fact that there are a few others, that's why I used the word hardly.  When fenix releases their external engine model I believe they will easily surpass PMDG in overall simulation fidelity.  Never flown the Hjet so I cannot comment on that one.  I could write an essay on the tiny little details that PMDG and Fenix simulate that put their airplanes a notch above everything else out there though as an overall package.  Many things would not be noticed unless one has really studied those airplanes and jet airliners in general. 

Edited January 30, 20242 yr by Pilot53

6 hours ago, micstatic said:

But by most standards he is a highly accomplished person and aviator. 

Aviator, possibly, but he’s a little too petulant for my idea of a highly accomplished person.