I have seen them from Maleny to Melbourne.

Ugh.  I don’t even care about the Airbus at this point; would rather just have the other performance improvements and fixes.

I could care less about the initial screen (dune) I'm not that sensitive. All I want is the Dukes.

Life must be perfect if a silly load screen ruins your time

Hard to wait because it’s putting other devs on pause before they release! Esp have been truly craving the black square dukes!!! 

Really want to get my hands on SimFX, that's also on hold until SU15

18 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Just read that now they are hoping for the week of May 7.

Where you read this May 7th date? I have a feeling it will be much further than that..

12 minutes ago, simbol said:

Where you read this May 7th date? I have a feeling it will be much further than that..

Jorg said that yesterday.

4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

As some people have mentioned, the roadmap changed when SU 15 was delayed.  If it's true that they are trying to release MSFS 2024 this fall (according to people saying Jorge "slipped up" in the Twitch Q&A a month ago and accidentally inferred the release data for MSFS 2024 was this fall), they are heading into crunch time for MSFS 2024 this summer, trying to polish it off, fix the bugs, and cram in the remaining features before it's released.

They simply don't have time to do an SU 16 release in the summer, and release MSFS 2024 this fall, unless they are way ahead of schedule for what they want to do for MSFS 2024.  But for a large software project involving hundreds of people, it's almost never on schedule.  It's almost guaranteed that they are behind schedule, or probably barely struggling to keep to their schedule. That's the nature of software projects.

Mind you, even for much smaller software projects, like all the planes that are released for MSFS, those are often delayed (ie. Randazzo thought the PMDG 737 could be released in 2020, and it was finally released in 2022). For larger software projects where hundreds of people are involved, it's almost guaranteed those projects fall behind, or the project lead and the end customer eventually decide to "cut" features so that they can stick to the schedule.

Its very much the nature of the games/sim industry. In 44 years in the games industry (and sims too), its not the spec that kills you, but the bugs that suddenly defy squashing. I had a major title held up at EA with a crash bug that took my team weeks to find. It was a simple thing, in a couple of lines of code, but brought the entire project to its knees. We had pretty much every coder and myself hunting through code to track down. Conversely, I have seen bugs that look like they are going to be mega difficult, that I have ended up fixing over a cup of coffee in minutes. You are right about hundreds of people, although in terms of many issues, that boils down to just a few talented programmers to fix, with the majority of teams being art, design etc etc.. The specialist programmers are a minority on most games and sims (for lots of reasons, but I wont write an essay 🙂 ) 

Back when people paid me to be a programmer, rather than to run studios and publishing companies, we had all sorts of issues, for example, with Alien Vs Predator for Atari. It was coded by just two of us, myself and Mike (a very talented programmer). Some days it was bug city which we had to splat like the Aliens. Other days life was smooth. The moral is you can never tell and projects have a life of their own when it comes to shipping dates, despite so many processes we now have in place in the big studios. I routinely factor in a 20% time contingency on every project with the studios that I lead (which indeed can be hundreds of people now).

Its why sometimes that many of us wish that we made business software which is an order of magnitude easier than 3D software and games, that come with animation, physics et al 🙂

 

Jane

just to add to the moaning, I care not about window sizes or spaceship loading screens or ANOTHER airbus, but I do want to fly a 777-300

5 hours ago, fluffyflops said:

im sure theres not 100s of people working on su15.

Typically these days we have a primary product team, then a much smaller support team to do the followups. The support and tidy group is usually entirely separate from the teams leading flagship titles. We are lucky that the sim has proven popular in sales, which makes a support team cost effective to create all the service packs. Sometimes in the lifecycle of a product we have to draw a line on service packs simply because the cost to develop the pack outweighs the current strength of sales revenue, based on a calculated "per head revenue" generation of everyone in the team. Keeping service teams smaller really keeps the costs down and drives that equation of salary vs revenue contribution for each dev to something manageable.

1 hour ago, EGLD said:

just to add to the moaning, I care not about window sizes or spaceship loading screens or ANOTHER airbus, but I do want to fly a 777-300

The -300ER is not the version of the 777 that I would want, so I will have to wait even longer before I can consider a purchase.

1 hour ago, Bond said:

Jorg said that yesterday.

I watched,  I didn't catch that.. what I read was they might need a week  I  never heard any date per say..

 

R.

10 minutes ago, simbol said:

I watched,  I didn't catch that.. what I read was they might need a week  I  never heard any date per say..

Yes, I think people have taken the "about another week" statement quite literally and put 7 May down, but we will have to see. It seems they are collapsing their planned work for SU15 and SU16 into one SU now and so it is expected that it will take time. 

Is PMDG holding for SU15 too, or is that an assumption? I am not that interested in the 777 but I was looking forward to the Dukes. It if pushed much longer though I will hold off until the fall because the warmer weather is nearly here.

Check it again @simbol

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2128461104?t=1h38m3s

Edited April 25, 20242 yr by Bond