30 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

 

Thanks! That's interesting that they rented a full motion A350 simulator to get some data. And they hired some A350 engineers as consultants, as per your quote.

I'm very sceptical that this will lead to a an actual correct systems depth. That's like eating 100 pots of Spaghetti Bolognese in order to "guess" the recipe.

50 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

I think them adding the avionics bay below deck is a clear indicator that MSFS2024 will allow you to walk arround. 

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by bigifooti
typo

8 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Yes performance wise.

Rest assured. We have heard the community's words quite loudly regarding challenges with past performance across all our product lines.

We are actively working to refine performance as well as take full advantage of tools in the native sdk to keep things light and efficient. We also have a team 90+ deep of testers with all manner of PC configs, so don't think we write for i9 KF chips and 4090's exclusively. 😉
As someone earlier said. The proof will be in the pudding, and this should taste great!

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by IniSteve

6 minutes ago, IniSteve said:

The proof will be in the pudding, and this should taste great!

let's just hope the pudding isn't moldy by the time it's in our hands 😂

19 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

 

I'm very sceptical that this will lead to a an actual correct systems depth. That's like eating 100 pots of Spaghetti Bolognese in order to "guess" the recipe.

Yeah, I think iniBuilds will be doing a lot of guessing.  Even with the A350 simulator that they are renting, I assume they can only test various scenarios and at best, get data from those tests.  But without access to the actual algorithms and code used in the A350 simulator, whatever iniBuilds generates from their time in the A350 simulator is ultimately an approximation, and not as accurate as the A350 simulator they are renting. I also want to note that even if iniBulds could 100% replicate the A350 simulator they are renting, the A350 simulator itself may behave differently than the actual A350, and that's where you need the documentation and technical specifications (that Airbus is making confidential) to simulate the actual A350 as accurately as possible.

Having said that, Jeff Neilsen had an interesting comment from last year:

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If they have access to an airline, then they should be 99.9% good (good as far as info goes).  The airline should have all that.  But, even if you do have that info you have to model/code it all.  That's the big question as they are calling for 350 pilots and didn't show any other previews other than the outside.

Now I am not in the airline industry and I believe Jeff Neilsen is in the airline/aircraft industry.  So what Jeff Neilsen pointed out is very interesting, that perhaps iniBuilds has access to an airline who is operating the A350. Jeff is also saying that the information iniBuilds can get should be 99.9% good, so that's an interesting comment by Jeff.

However, I would assume any airline that operates the A350 is also bound by confidentiality agreement with Airbus, and they cannot share any A350 documentation with outside companies, without Airbus's approval.  So aside from iniBuild's disclosure of renting the A350 simulator, having access to A350 engineers and A350 pilots, I'm curious as to what else they are doing to get the information they need for the A350.

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by abrams_tank

That engine sound at the end of the video during climbout... mind blowing!

1 hour ago, Tuskin38 said:

 

From what I understand they have different dev teams working on the different aircraft.

I wonder if it was the same team that revamped the a320 to a320v2.  A much more solid and desirable iniBuilds Aircraft

-B

The only relevant question for me is: will it have something like the PMDG autocruise? If yes, instabuy. If no, I will pass this one...

7 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Yeah, I think iniBuilds will be doing a lot of guessing.  Even with the A350 simulator that they are renting, I assume they can only test various scenarios and at best, get data from those tests.  But without access to the actual algorithms and code used in the A350 simulator, whatever iniBuilds generates from their time in the A350 simulator is ultimately an approximation, and not as accurate as the A350 simulator they are renting. I also want to note that even if iniBulds could 100% replicate the A350 simulator they are renting, the A350 simulator itself may be different than the actual A350, and that's where you need the documentation and technical specifications (that Airbus is making confidential) to simulate the actual A350 as accurately as possible.

Having said that, Jeff Neilsen had an interesting comment from last year:

Now I am not in the airline industry and I believe Jeff Neilsen is in the airline/aircraft industry.  So what Jeff Neilsen pointed out is very interesting, that perhaps iniBuilds has access to an airline who is operating the A350.

However, I would assume any airline that operates the A350 is also bound by confidentiality agreement with Airbus, and they cannot share any A350 documentation with outside entities, without Airbus's approval.  So aside from iniBuild's disclosure of renting the A350 simulator, having access to A350 engineers and A350 pilots, I'm curious as to what else they are doing to get the information they need for the A350.

It sounds like they probably have what they need for the most part.  It's probably just a matter of how much they can get done in a short amount of time.

6 minutes ago, AnkH said:

The only relevant question for me is: will it have something like the PMDG autocruise? If yes, instabuy. If no, I will pass this one...

If i read the FAQ correctly it should have something along those lines. The only thing unconfirmed i think is pause at TOD

snipped from their FAQ

Can I please ask if the A350 will come delivered with the ability to do auto step climbs during accelerated simulations?

We intend to support auto step climbs and accelerated simulation. At this time, we can’t give a hard value to what level of acceleration will be supported as this can depend on how the final AP and auto flight system react.

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Maxis

2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I'm very sceptical that this will lead to a an actual correct systems depth. That's like eating 100 pots of Spaghetti Bolognese in order to "guess" the recipe.

Fair to be skeptical, but FWIW, the full motion A350 simulator is but one part of multiple sources of data and expertise they're drawing upon: https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/23569-summer-surprises-inibuilds-airliner-aircraft-development-update-july-2024/

• The A350 is over a decade old now and quite a bit of data can be found for core systems and overall functionality. We had some missing spots when it came to the data we needed to bring the A350 into MSFS so we regularly rent a full motion A350 simulator for multiple hours which allow us to fully capture these details and fill in any missing information. For aerodynamic data we have a base data package and the simulator allowed us to verify this data.
• To further complement this data point, we have a collection of dedicated A350 experts (approximately 12) ranging from engineers, pilots and others that serve as a critical but complementary source of information when there is any confusion from the information we have. 

Rest assured, this product will not only be visually appealing but to the highest level of detail, far exceeding anything else we have produced thus far. 🔥

Examples from  https://forum.inibuilds.com/topic/23573-inibuilds-a350-airliner-in-development-faq/ 

What kind of system depth will you go for with the A350? Will it include secondary flight plan and pilot waypoints for the FMS and MCDU?
We intend to replicate close to all the MCDU functions on the A350 including SEC F-PLN and if possible; SEC F-PLN 2 and 3 along with pilot waypoints on the ND via the cursor mode.

Will the A350 have functioning OIS screens and OANS on the ND display for BTV and taxi?
The OIS will have many functions lifted from the real thing including takeoff landing performance and other ACARS functions replicated from the real aircraft. OANS will be fully simulated along with BTV functions. During our simulator visit we spent along time capturing these details to make sure we have all the data we need

Is the A350 going to have HCF (Heading Control Function)? It's a great feature that makes taxiing a whole lot easier?
This feature will be present in the aircraft. 

Will you implement the special “What If” function on the A350 MCU?
What is the WHAT IF function? It allows you to tell the A350 on the SEC F-PLN 1 2 or 3 that you have had either an “Engine failure” or “depressurization” and it will then give you an EFOB for the SEC F-PLN DEST and an ETA. We want to try and simulate this function coupling it into the SEC 1 2 and 3 functions.

Will the A350 have things adding more failures, more options in performance calculations (climb gradients, obstacle clearance and so on) and maybe circuit breakers?
We do intend to have a base level set of failures that can be actioned in the simulator along with some other types of failures that we will talk about at a later date!
Most of the reset panel will be simulated, these are the closest thing you will get to a CB in the A350 flightdeck. Reset panel 1 and 2 are located on the upper left and right of the overhead and allow the pilots to reset systems that might have failed rather than have to pull a set to CBs on the back wall.
We will have more options in the perf calculator to cover climb gradients and obstacle clearance. 

Is GPS jamming/spoofing going to be simulated on the A350? This is a common thing pilots deal with on a daily basis, especially over Turkey, Iraq and Kuwait, places particularly frequently visited by wide-body aircraft?
We want to try and simulate challenges line pilots come across day to day and will have a system to allow this level of challenge to be scaled for each user.

Will the product have CPDLC & Hoppie Integration? 
We intend to have full CPDLC integration using Hoppie. CPDLC in the A350 is also integrated directly into the aircraft not a separated DCDU like on the 320 family.
We also intent to have a fully simulated ACARS system with some never seen before functionality which we will showcase at a later date.

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Even if they "just" implement the A350 to similar fidelity levels of the A300 as it currently stands, I'll be jumping all over it (since their A300 is a pretty darn good implementation). But all indications and what they're saying are that the A350 will be even higher fidelity. I'm pretty confident that iniBuilds are up to the task given what they've shown so far in terms of track record for MSFS and also their previous work in other sims.

And another thing to note, given the year-end timeframe for release and also given iniBuilds' insider access to MSFS 2024 this aircraft will likely/hopefully release with good use of MSFS 2024's new features right from the get go.
 

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by lwt1971

1 hour ago, Fiorentoni said:

 

I'm very sceptical that this will lead to a an actual correct systems depth. That's like eating 100 pots of Spaghetti Bolognese in order to "guess" the recipe.

they also have 17 12 people working with them that have hands on experience with the A350 from pilots to engineers

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

The EPIC avionics Expansion Pack for the A300 is going to be MSFS 2024 only.

WorkingTitle is already making the EPIC Avionics for 2024 (they'll be used in the PC-12NGX), and any addon maker will be allowed to use it. So I wonder if ini just decided to build off that and that's why the expansion has become 2024 exclusive.

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Tuskin38

39 minutes ago, Tuskin38 said:

they also have 17 people working with them that have hands on experience with the A350 from pilots to engineers

First of all they said 12, not 17. Event then: That's just 12 or 17 people who eat Spaghetti Bolognese daily or clean the dishes or fix the broken pots or buy the Spaghetti etc. None of them know the recipe. To stay within my analogy.

In other words: You cannot correctly model a system with realistic depth if you only can look at it from the "outside" (e.g. people that work with the systems / with the results of the systems). Will it still be enjoyable if you just fly it and do not look for errors / inaccuracies? Sure, they did that pretty well on the A300 (which is also far from a realistic systems depth) and I like to fly it.

I'm much more worried about performance, their track record shows they are abysmal in regards to performance. I totally don't see them model the avionics bay and all those pretty systems and yet have it perform better than the simple old school A300.

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Fiorentoni

4 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

First of all they said 12, not 17.

whoops, fixed

Anyways, also read what lwt1971 said in response to you. The simulator is used to supplement what they already know, it's not their only source, they have multiple.

  

4 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

You cannot correctly model a system with realistic depth if you only can look at it from the "outside" (e.g. people that work with the systems / with the results of the systems). Will it still be enjoyable if you just fly it and do not look for errors / inaccuracies?

And how would you know those inaccuracies if you've never flown the plane yourself?

Edited July 24, 20241 yr by Tuskin38