17 minutes ago, Wise87 said:

I've already moved the Max into the GFO category. 

 

2 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

IFly giving PMDG competition and have to admit it looks good. 

 

39 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

Not real happy hearing that the MAX went from basically complete and will drop during the 777 release schedule to being kicked down field so far it's probably never.  

It's a real word salad but reading between the lines the MAX is basically vaporware at this point.  If it does infact get released the competition will be so far ahead we won't want it anyway.

You know what I think?  PMDG never actually made the MAX.  They never released any progress photos that I am aware of other than the plane being parked off in the distance during one of the NG photo releases.  Who would not bother to properly market your upcoming project?

They claim they have some sort of commercial client for it and it's release is behind a firewall.  Until someone other that PMDG mentions it's existence it does not.  It's sure nice to be sold out and alienate the very people who made you successful.

Robert at PMDG has no credibility at this point and take his word salads with a grain of salt.  I say bring on the competition and I hope iFly now plans to expand it's MAX project and eventually the NG's!

This enterprise customer project he goes on and on about is putting the golf ball on the tee. Remember, Randazzle used to a politician. Once iFly releases theirs (that annoying streamer Chewy is streaming it tonight so it must be close) and MS2024 releases with the MAX as a default aircraft, I foresee the pmdg MAX slipping into the vast emptiness of false starts such as GFO. That will be when the golf ball is hit with the driver. Randazzle will buy about 12 to 18 months of time by repeatedly stating that the transition to MS2024 is taking all resources along with other high priority projects when asked about the MAX. In about 2 years time from now he will reply to someone in the forum with a curt one line reply to the effect that the MAX has been canceled for retail and it will only be for that enterprise project. He and Kok will then ignore any all further questions about it. When the real story is iFly and Asobo absored all the market and once again, they lost out.   

The iFly MAX does look very good indeed.  In fact I suspect the real reason the PMDG MAX went the way of GFO is PMDG can't compete against it.  

On the PMDG forum others have mentioned disappointment.  More interpretation that the PMDG MAX is a dead project.  So many projects in the pipeline and with limited crew projects must be prioritized.

I suppose it could be reborn several years from now when PMDG decides to make the NG's again using all the modern bells and whistles but the current project is likely dead.

Hopefully iFly expands it's MAX line up.  Only reason I still wanted the PMDG MAX is perhaps they would eventually do the 7-10 and maybe a bit of commonality with the current NG.  If iFly decides to make all variants I no longer care about the PMDG MAX!

17 minutes ago, B777ER said:

 

 

This enterprise customer project he goes on and on about is putting the golf ball on the tee. Remember, Randazzle used to a politician. Once iFly releases theirs (that annoying streamer Chewy is streaming it tonight so it must be close) and MS2024 releases with the MAX as a default aircraft, I foresee the pmdg MAX slipping into the vast emptiness of false starts such as GFO. That will be when the golf ball is hit with the driver. Randazzle will buy about 12 to 18 months of time by repeatedly stating that the transition to MS2024 is taking all resources along with other high priority projects when asked about the MAX. In about 2 years time from now he will reply to someone in the forum with a curt one line reply to the effect that the MAX has been canceled for retail and it will only be for that enterprise project. He and Kok will then ignore any all further questions about it. When the real story is iFly and Asobo absored all the market and once again, they lost out.   

Not sure why you dislike Chewwy but hes a nice guy. XP72 also showing it off. We all know what the PMDG forums will be like when people ask and the usual pretend mods replying with sarcastic comments.

6 minutes ago, longhaul747 said:

The iFly MAX does look very good indeed.  In fact I suspect the real reason the PMDG MAX went the way of GFO is PMDG can't compete against it.  

On the PMDG forum others have mentioned disappointment.  More interpretation that the PMDG MAX is a dead project.  So many projects in the pipeline and with limited crew projects must be prioritized.

I suppose it could be reborn several years from now when PMDG decides to make the NG's again using all the modern bells and whistles but the current project is likely dead.

Hopefully iFly expands it's MAX line up.  Only reason I still wanted the PMDG MAX is perhaps they would eventually do the 7-10 and maybe a bit of commonality with the current NG.  If iFly decides to make all variants I no longer care about the PMDG MAX!

At least IFly have all three engine types.

2 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

Not sure why you dislike Chewwy but hes a nice guy. XP72 also showing it off. We all know what the PMDG forums will be like when people ask and the usual pretend mods replying with sarcastic comments.

tbf, he does have some good points

We should start the bets as to how long it'll take them to update their entire product line to 2024. He's already setting the stage. 

18 minutes ago, Drumcode said:

We should start the bets as to how long it'll take them to update their entire product line to 2024. He's already setting the stage. 

How much the upgrade price will be?😉

Edited October 4, 20241 yr by carlanthony24

I’ve been waiting for so long for the 747-400 to make it to MSFS my real world 747 type rating will expire in 6 months.

I doubt it’ll be here before then so the only way to get a refresh will mean going back and flying it in P3D, if I decide to do a check ride and re validate it.

I’m now thinking freeware mods to the  default 747-400 in MSFS24  will probably arrive sooner and be of comparable quality.

4 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

And, I'm pretty sure the teased altimeter is from a 747-200.
Pretty strong clue for the retro jet they were teasing before.

 

Wonder if Just Flight gave them there classic series they were creating for P3D? That project has been very quiet for a long time now? 

1 hour ago, B777ER said:

Once iFly releases theirs (that annoying streamer Chewy is streaming it tonight so it must be close)

Blackbox will also be streaming.

3 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

Not real happy hearing that the MAX went from basically complete and will drop during the 777 release schedule to being kicked down field so far it's probably never.  

It's a real word salad but reading between the lines the MAX is basically vaporware at this point.  If it does infact get released the competition will be so far ahead we won't want it anyway.

You know what I think?  PMDG never actually made the MAX.  They never released any progress photos that I am aware of other than the plane being parked off in the distance during one of the NG photo releases.  Who would not bother to properly market your upcoming project?

They claim they have some sort of commercial client for it and it's release is behind a firewall.  Until someone other that PMDG mentions it's existence it does not.  It's sure nice to be sold out and alienate the very people who made you successful.

Robert at PMDG has no credibility at this point and take his word salads with a grain of salt.  I say bring on the competition and I hope iFly now plans to expand it's MAX project and eventually the NG's!

Things change. The money in exclusive commercial contracts is HUGE. And having been part of some, I can say the commercial clients (particularly IF they are the manufacturers (maybe not in this case...) can have some pretty crazy rules that make you change the way you normally do business.

I can't see how you've been "sold out" when there was never any money exchanged, and especially since there (wasn't) any competition until recently, and you would've had to go back to P3D to get it, anyway...

If you feel alienated by this change of plans, I'm sad for you - there's so much stuff to do in this sim and others that the presence or absence of a single variant of a single aircraft shouldn't cause you more than a fleeting pause.

Finally, despite the frustration of the "firewall", and if they do ever release their Max, all they have to do is name-drop a few times that it's benefitted from real world [whatever] and it will get buyers.

And yes, competition is GREAT, and I'm glad that iFly's MAX is looking good. I wish them luck, particularly in light of Asobo's free MAX coming to v2024. Indications are it's one of the highest fidelity addons they've ever produced - we'll see!

3 hours ago, B777ER said:

that annoying streamer Chewy

He's not annoying at all lol

3 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

Hopefully iFly expands it's MAX line up.  Only reason I still wanted the PMDG MAX is perhaps they would eventually do the 7-10 and maybe a bit of commonality with the current NG.  If iFly decides to make all variants I no longer care about the PMDG MAX!

Similarly to their 747 I think iFly only developed the 737 MAX based on a customer contract, just putting it together from comments in their forums from the days of the P3D version development. Nothing but the -8 was ever in scope - that was their answer then. Who knows, might be a compelling enough market.

Pessimistically I think we're getting an -8 and only an -8, maybe mods like Horizon to enhance the Asobo.

13 hours ago, Georgleboui said:

And, I'm pretty sure the teased altimeter is from a 747-200.

Apparently not... https://forum.pmdg.com/forum/main-forum/general-discussion-news-and-announcements/330077-04oct24-so-what-is-going-at-pmdg?p=330244#post330244

Other people have said the altimeter was manufactured by Kollsman Inc, which was used in the 707, 727, 737 & 747.

So, could this be a preview of the 747-100 which JustFlight were supposedly also working on alongside the -200?

16 hours ago, lwt1971 said:

Our goal will be to evaluate these features for each of the existing three product lines and to then determine what must be done in order to make the existing product lines forward compatible with the new game-play features. We currently believe this will be possible in most cases- but I want to stress that this is pure conjecture on our part right now, and an economic/development-cost assessment will be made once we actually have the platform in hand and can evaluate what changes must be made on a case-by-case basis.

I'll would like to have more clarity on this, before considering buying the 777F, as it is really close to MSFS 2024 launch.