16 hours ago, Matchstick said:

If they are genuinely doing an Alpha (a stage where you have all the feature enabled but they aren't expected to be working properly yet) this close to final release then MS and Asobo's project management has gone catastrophically wrong.

The MSFS 2020 BETA started months out from release and we saw what state that came out in originally.

Ultimately I can only judge what MS release and make my judgements on that.
That judgement is this version isn't going to be close to ready in less than 4 week and based on the experience with the 2020 beta the idea that there is some secret version with all fixes in that they aren't for some reason giving us to test is likely to be wishful thinking.

If the test purpose is Server performance, bottlenecks etc., then it's possible and likely you get an old build....far from the release build. Because the focus is on server performance....and not on functionality and visuals. 

If this is good way to motivate testers etc...I don't know. But it es theoretically possible. 

I saw fairly low res textures throughout, playing on a 40meg and 150 meg line, and a fair bit of microstuttering with panning, and lower options than I use in FS2020.  I've shelved it for the day and gone back to FS2020.  

(I know it's a technical alpha)

The purpose is a stress test that is clear but it is also a business card for your customers making a good impression is basic so either they are very clumsy at Asobo or this is not ready to go in such a short time.

2 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

The purpose is a stress test that is clear but it is also a business card for your customers making a good impression is basic so either they are very clumsy at Asobo or this is not ready to go in such a short time.

What, no it isn't. You can't make a good impression with old builds and unfinished software. By its very nature, it's unfinished, buggy and unstable. Even saying it's a stress test indicates instability. If you're looking to judge something based on testing software or you're unable to actually read what you're actually testing, you are simply too immature to be in this sort of test.

2 minutes ago, Sethos said:

No, no lo es. No se puede causar una buena impresión con compilaciones antiguas y software inacabado. Por su propia naturaleza, es inacabado, tiene errores y es inestable. Incluso decir que es una prueba de estrés indica inestabilidad. Si buscas juzgar algo basándote en pruebas de software o no puedes leer realmente lo que estás probando, simplemente eres demasiado inmaduro para participar en este tipo de pruebas.

 

8 minutes ago, Sethos said:

No, no lo es. No se puede causar una buena impresión con compilaciones antiguas y software inacabado. Por su propia naturaleza, es inacabado, tiene errores y es inestable. Incluso decir que es una prueba de estrés indica inestabilidad. Si buscas juzgar algo basándote en pruebas de software o no puedes leer realmente lo que estás probando, simplemente eres demasiado inmaduro para participar en este tipo de pruebas.

Of course you can make a bad impression with any compilation, aren't you reading the comments of many people these days? 

 

This is not about maturity, this is about very basic marketing, most of those who have installed this is not to help in the development is to test and see with their own eyes 2024, that is known by you and me all this forum and of course Asobo.

8 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

 

Of course you can make a bad impression with any compilation, aren't you reading the comments of many people these days? 

This is not about maturity, this is about very basic marketing, most of those who have installed this is not to help in the development is to test and see with their own eyes 2024, that is known by you and me all this forum and of course Asobo.

Exactly, mentally immature people who do not understand the purpose of a test, how it works, nor how builds of software works, who have kneejerk impressions and make all sorts of insane leaps and conclusions based on this. Yes, it will happen, yes that's what a small handful do and you can't avoid it but this is nothing but individuals who aren't mature or responsible enough to be part of software testing in the first place, because they have no nuance or insight. This is why there's such a heavy pushback against these individuals, when they inevitably post their overly dramatic "IT'S NOT READY FOR RELEASE" and "EVERYTHING IS TRASH" opinions.

Edited October 13, 20241 yr by Sethos

1 hour ago, Rimshot said:

Of course I appreciate that, MSFS2020 looks great and is a fantastic sim, but your assumption this might not happen with MSFS2024 I find quite pessimistic. Pessimism seems to be the trend here. Cheers back to you 😉

Oh, i did not say it will not happen, it will be at some day but not at beginning, do you maybe remember the first days of release from our MSFS2020 ?

It was a bit of a desaster, a realy not ready Sim, nothing realy worked as it should and this probably not happens with MSFS2024, but i assume all that new things that come with the NEW Sim will need a lot of updates later on and that is what i wonna overgo and thinking to give the NEW Sim a wait from some months to let the updates fix those bad issues..

I'm also pretty sure that the porting of the MSFS2020 planes and scenarios won't work as smoothly and without updates from the individual devs as we're told. There will certainly be major problems, but we'll see that soon.

But this is just my point of view 😊

cheers 😉

Edited October 13, 20241 yr by pmplayer

2 hours ago, longhaul747 said:

Asobo is not going to send a trash build out for a wide test with substandard scenery.  That would be poor marketing.  I hope I am wrong but I would be amazed if everything is greatly improved on Nov 19th 

Asobo was extremely clear that the tech alpha is a limited, non-release candidate build with many features either disabled or not yet implemented at all. It is not for “marketing” - its sole purpose is to test the server infrastructure and to send telemetry back to Asobo.

1 hour ago, Sethos said:

mentally immature people who do not understand the purpose of a test, how it works, nor how builds of software works, who have kneejerk impressions and make all sorts of insane leaps and conclusions based on this.

this is exactly why it is an open "beta" without NDA.

they want as many people as possible (not exactly beta-testers) to hammer their server infrastructure. no more, no less. they don't even want nor need our feedback (except for sim-breaking bugs)! 

"The technical Alpha is not intended to gather feedback on the overall design or features of Microsoft  Flight Simulator 2024 and the scope of what is available will be limited."

yes, they said that. in the release notes. everytime you start MSFS 2024 technical alpha.

but since we are gamers:

Hey, teacher, leave us kids alone

and girls just want to have fu-hun.

Edited October 13, 20241 yr by turbomax

19 minutes ago, JRBarrett said:

Asobo was extremely clear

Not clear enough when looking at some of the posts 🤣

I think at least it`s like mostly everthing that is coded and given to costumers, we the users ( costumers ) are now at this days the beta tester, wasent like that in older days but now it is like it is.

And this is not the badest, at least for the Developer, some of us the costumers may like it, some not..

cheers 😉

Edited October 13, 20241 yr by pmplayer

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

we the costumers (users) are now at this days the beta tester,

... some of us the costumers may like it, some not..

we, the Avsim costumers, we do like it, we like it a lot.

 

1 hour ago, pmplayer said:

I think at least it`s like mostly everthing that is coded and given to costumers, we the users ( costumers ) are now at this days the beta tester, wasent like that in older days but now it is like it is.

And this is not the badest, at least for the Developer, some of us the costumers may like it, some not..

cheers 😉

Exactly.....

And everyone is able to apply for alpha or even beta (Preview Builds, Insider Programm etc....). 

And....able to completely decide if we want to join or not. 

Microsoft is a mega huge company and the way they offer products has become a standard BECAUSE we are opt in in such offered programs....or offered ways of working. 

Even if we do not opt in, there market dominance is so big....that they will force us to test......then it may not be called alpha or beta....but just "release build".....

The telemetry in the background is then giving them the needed feedback.....without that millions of people even know this.....

It's useless to debate of we want or not want, if we like or not like...or if it's ready or not ready....

As long as we "buy" or use.....it will be done exactly that way....and as long as there are no real competitors......they will go on like this. 

8 hours ago, FlierHawk said:

So i can load a flight with the PMDG 737 but i'm stuck on the walkaround cam.  Anyone have insight into which key combo gets me into the cockpit? the camera buttons do nothing.  I dumped a good deal of my community folder into 2024 just to see if it would handle it and it did cause it to crash.  I loaded up NYC with RKBridger, drzewiecki KEWR and the PMDG 737.  It got to the Fly now screen then hung and crashed.  I tried again with just the PMDG 737 in Miami and it loaded but i couldn't get to the cockpit.  Plane looks great with the new lighting.  

Shift + C

47 minutes ago, mpo910 said:

As long as we "buy" or use.....it will be done exactly that way....and as long as there are no real competitors......they will go on like this. 

Of course, if we really object, the option is always available to simply delete everything, or simply never purchase/participate.

There are other hobbies, after all.