2 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

I did. And I share the same feelings as anybody else in this thread: Some very good improvements, overshadowed inexplicably by the same mistakes from 2020 all over again. Bug riddled in almost every way.
 

Free flight is pretty good though in MSFS 2024. The bugs are mostly in Career Mode.

I'm not saying that free flight is bug free. But it's in a decent condition at the moment, and you can have an enjoyable flight, provided you are using an airplane that was properly converted to MSFS 2024.

3 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

Free flight is pretty good though in MSFS 2024. The bugs are mostly in Career Mode.

I'm not saying that free flight is bug free. But it's in a decent condition at the moment, and you can have an enjoyable flight, provided you are using an airplane that was properly converted to MSFS 2024.

This is what I am using it for right now.

2024 doesn't seem to get much credit for looking amazing down low running on the same hardware as 2020. Compare that to FSX where you could fly over a European desert at 10 fps.

2 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

Compare that to FSX where you could fly over a European desert at 10 fps.

If you were very lucky!

Free flight in 2020 after three or four years of addons was amazing. Free flight in a vanilla 2024 is even better. 

22 hours ago, Farlis said:

I think you overestimate the power testers have. In the end it's all about resource management and deadlines. And testers can point bugs and errors until they are blue in the face if the deadline is not moved. 
It will just be decided by the game director or the publisher, to release anyway and keep the reports for a backlog.

its about making money, nothing more and nothing less.

3 hours ago, Tom Wright said:

The most vocal community on here and elsewhere are those who have angrily ditched it and gone back to 2020 and feel the need to tell the world about it. But I doubt they're the majority.

I respectfully disagree.  Go peruse the official forums if you can keep up...

Sadly, the most vocal on the official forums are clearly those still having issues, some who can't get it to load at all,  some suffering repeated CTD's, a plethora of controller issues still, those facing the uncertainty of performance from day to day or even flight to flight, the 2,000 post thread with over 50,000 views about whether it should have even been released, the users who had career mode broken with the last patch, XBox users with LOD and texture issues, but NOT users who have ditched it and gone back.   That's just untrue based on the data available to us without speculation.  The 2020 users on the official forum are more concerned with the outages and questions about outstanding issues ever being addressed.  

Now as everyone points out, that does not account for everyone using it without issue and those who are also very vocal about enjoying it but if you go to the official forums you can see who the most vocal users are and they will always be those having issues.

On the MSFS store it is a currently a 2 star release with 65% of 3,000 reviews giving it just 1 star.  There are still a majority of negative reviews on the Steam forums although it has moved up to mixed but the sad reality is there are not just a vocal few but literally thousands of people who are unhappy and/or still struggling so I don't think there is a clear majority of anything when it comes to 24 yet but if all we have to go off of are the people who took the time to review then the majority are still displeased and it seems to span PC and Console users alike across Steam and the MS store.  That doesn't bode well long term as it will take literally thousands of positive reviews to reverse the damage done and as simmers we all need this to succeed for the long term success of our hobby.

But the most vocal will always be the strongest supporters and the strongest detractors and then somewhere in the middle are people just getting on with things as they stand, holding on to their purchase to show support but simultaneously waiting for it to mature, the same way a lot of us did with 2020.  The most vocal will always span the opposite ends of the spectrum.  Human nature.  Some of us had it pointed out that our behavior was over the top and amended it, others continue to beat their chests on both sides.  

The difference was 2020 succeeded P3D so there were immediately separate forums and going in to the "opposing" forum to either bash P3D or brag about 2020 was immediately shut down and I believe the thought process here was that the sims were so close with so many overlapping add-ons leaving the forums combined would make the most sense but the one factor that was left out was the human factor and us the simmers.  It turns out some things did carry over and on the flip side things like control settings can not be migrated because the two platforms are so different.  Go figure.  

Clearly co-existence and tolerance for others opinions are not simmers strong points LOL...   And please note I do not exclude myself from that group, I've just tried to tone it down personally as I can only control myself not others.... 

Edited December 10, 20241 yr by psolk

As a gamer, not much I can do about incomplete products.

Voting with your wallet never works.

Review bombing at least gets some appropriate attention but I don't think it truly deters sales much.

Grin and bear it or find a new hobby.

 

3 hours ago, MarcG said:

Death, taxes, MS/Asobos incompetence 😄

This has got to be one of the funniest statements ever made. 

Asobo/Microsoft launched the most successful flight simulator franchises in history - providing dozens of Sim and World Updates, actively engaging with the community, inspiring thousands of modders, turning freeware modders into commercial entitites, etc.

....yeah, sure, they're "incompetent". Ha ha.

8 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

This has got to be one of the funniest statements ever made. 

Asobo/Microsoft launched the most successful flight simulator franchises in history - providing dozens of Sim and World Updates, actively engaging with the community, inspiring thousands of modders, turning freeware modders into commercial entitites, etc.

....yeah, sure, they're "incompetent". Ha ha.

Indeed they did, no arguments there, but they've also shown incompetence as demonstrated by the MSFS24 release and state of the Sim in certain areas.