4 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Are you being serious? The first few days were full of incredible anger for the most part, at the GUI, the bindings, the connectivity and the CTDs. A lot of that has gone now and I'm seeing more and more saying they're enjoying it. Of course lots pointing out the bugs, and still a few clearly furious and predicting the end of the franchise (as you have done), but no. I don't think it will fail. Especially not after just 3 weeks...

I wasn't talking about the first few days after release - but about the days after, when this forum was full of "I'm finally in, looks gorgeous, MSFS 2024 is great!". I don't see those threads anymore, I'm only seeing threads like this one here (or threads of people who still can't get their keybindings right in 2024...).

DId you opt for the refund? 

Just now, St Mawgan said:

DId you opt for the refund? 

Is that for me? If so: I did a refund on day one, then bought it again after people were getting in and liking it. Now I'm using 2020 only for the time being, because it's hard to enjoy with all those bugs, at least for my type of simming (airliners).

3 hours ago, MarcG said:

Speaking for myself, No. I didn't buy a game to become a beta tester for a product that should've released in a far better state. This is on Jorg & his team to diagnose and fix blatantly obvious issues, not me.

Sorry, yes, I should have said 'you guys (except MarcG, obviously)'.

So, erm, given your disappointment with / contempt for the devs after pretty much every launch / patch / SU / WU so far, have you learned anything from your purchase of 2024?

Just now, Fiorentoni said:

Is that for me? If so: I did a refund on day one, then bought it again after people were getting in and liking it. Now I'm using 2020 only for the time being, because it's hard to enjoy with all those bugs, at least for my type of simming (airliners).

Sounds like you have faith it will improve then. That's good. 

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

I wasn't talking about the first few days after release - but about the days after, when this forum was full of "I'm finally in, looks gorgeous, MSFS 2024 is great!". I don't see those threads anymore, I'm only seeing threads like this one here (or threads of people who still can't get their keybindings right in 2024...).

My guess is that it's because they, like myself, are now busy enjoying FS2024.

The most vocal community on here and elsewhere are those who have angrily ditched it and gone back to 2020 and feel the need to tell the world about it. But I doubt they're the majority.

1 minute ago, Fiorentoni said:

Is that for me? If so: I did a refund on day one, then bought it again after people were getting in and liking it. Now I'm using 2020 only for the time being, because it's hard to enjoy with all those bugs, at least for my type of simming (airliners).

You bought it, refunded it, bought it again, and are now predicting its demise. All withing 3 weeks? That's quite the rollercoaster you're on there😅

6 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Sorry, yes, I should have said 'you guys (except MarcG, obviously)'.

So, erm, given your disappointment with / contempt for the devs after pretty much every launch / patch / SU / WU so far, have you learned anything from your purchase of 2024?

I've learnt that you're incapable of understanding other people's opinions, so yes 🤪

Whoever they are, they did a great job, because the flight/ground model is much improved in 2024!

As for bugs, that wouldn't be the primary scope for those testers and secondly it's much more complex than just saying "they need to test better"

9 minutes ago, MarcG said:

I've learnt that you're incapable of understanding other people's opinions, so yes 🤪

Sounds like you’re gonna keep making the same mistake and getting angry about it then🤪

I don't think it is fair to blame testers. I'm willing to bet that many of them spotted things that were not addressed or even acknowledged. I never understand why major developers run beta tests in the way they do. Just slinging a product out to testers without a carefully constructed beta program is a waste of time.

You need a beta test lead who knows how to run a test procedure, and who finds out which testers have expertise in a given area. Once that area is found you need to allot tasks then gather all the feedback under headings then pass on a summary to the development team and top management simultaneously.

Also, as with FS2020 it is abundantly clear that people at Asobo are not checking their own work. That must be so as so many glaring errors emerge that are not even bugs but basic design flaws or omissions. Each section of a design team needs a dev whose SOLE job it is to thoroughly test what is being produced, and that should also be backed up by each individual dev reviewing their work by running the sim and testing as they go. You can eliminate three quarters of bugs if you do this in a methodical way. There is no quick substitute.

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24 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

I wasn't talking about the first few days after release - but about the days after, when this forum was full of "I'm finally in, looks gorgeous, MSFS 2024 is great!". I don't see those threads anymore, I'm only seeing threads like this one here (or threads of people who still can't get their keybindings right in 2024...).

People are too busy enjoying the new sim. I know I am. And there are now a gazillion tutorials on the new controls scheme. 

6 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

Sounds like you’re gonna keep making the same mistake and getting angry about it then🤪

Death, taxes, MS/Asobos incompetence 😄

23 minutes ago, Ricardo41 said:

People are too busy enjoying the new sim. I know I am. And there are now a gazillion tutorials on the new controls scheme. 

I know I am too.

That may be why there are so many negatives being aired. I'm too involved in career mode to spend much time venting about glitches. That and hopping around old haunts in a helicopter and being amazed at the level of detail - yes, down to individual rocks. I've even taken a few of the photographs - Stonehenge, Easter Island and the Sphinx are places I wouldn't have visited in previous sims - now it feels worthwhile. And nice to land, get out and stroll around. 

If you take a step back and have a look at what we have, it is an incredible achievement. At this point after the 2020 launch I was still struggling to install and then fly anywhere without CTDs, or blue screens. I grew to love 2020 - around 1,200 hours logged, but wild horses would not drag me back there, even if nothing more was fixed in 2024.

Maybe if your focus is exclusively airliners, it's different. But for GA and exploring the world from air and ground, it's incredible.

Personally I am glad it was released in its current state - the complexity is such that comprehensive beta testing is probably impossible. In a sense the game is being punished for vaunting ambition. And don't forget the target audience is wider than the audience here.

 

6 hours ago, MarcG said:

Speaking for myself, No. I didn't buy a game to become a beta tester for a product that should've released in a far better state. This is on Jorg & his team to diagnose and fix blatantly obvious issues, not me.

Yeah, not my job to test a product i paid for. That job was supposed to be done by MS Asobo before they took my money.