Let me first say I feel for Jorg and the rest for what must be a miserable time in their lives. I had some initial euphoria using FS2024 after the first few days, as it actually kind of worked once the servers started working, but the more I use it the more I realize it is so full of bugs that this is going to be a long slog. I can only imagine the dread they feel as they open their browsers every morning to see yet more vitriol on the forums here and at the official site.

The big question I have is who are these supposed pilots that Asobo hired to make the SIM "As real as it gets". If they truly hired people who are RW pilots, and they had real input, how could so many glaring things been missed, ignored or passed?

This is tongue in cheek, but shouldn't they be getting a notice to call a number from the friendly guys at the FAA, have their AOPA memberships revoked, and their Airman Certificates yanked? 😄

BT

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by Jaxsimmer

A330 Driver I think 😉

12 minutes ago, Jaxsimmer said:

Let me first say I feel for Jorg and the rest for what must be a miserable time in their lives. I had some initial euphoria using FS2024 after the first few days, as it actually kind of worked once the servers started working, but the more I use it the more I realize it is so full of bugs that this is going to be a long slog. I can only imagine the dread they feel as they open their browsers every morning to see yet more vitriol on the forums here and at the official site.

The big question I have is who are these supposed pilots that Asobo hired to make the SIM "As real as it gets". If they truly hired people who are RW pilots, and they had real input, how could so many glaring things been missed, ignored or passed?

This is tongue in cheek, but shouldn't they be getting a notice to call a number from the friendly guys at the FAA, have their AOPA memberships revoked, and their Airman Certificates yanked? 😄

BT

What has surprised me, is when 2020 started issuing updates that had problems, MSFS users demanded that they use beta testing with volunteer simmers as the testers, before the updates were released. This greatly improved the update process.  Looks like they went back to their old ways, with 2024, because it is obvious to me that there wasn't much if any beta testing done prior to releasing this bug-ridden product. 

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by Bobsk8

11 minutes ago, Jaxsimmer said:

Let me first say I feel for Jorg and the rest for what must be a miserable time in their lives. I had some initial euphoria using FS2024 after the first few days, as it actually kind of worked once the servers started working, but the more I use it the more I realize it is so full of bugs that this is going to be a long slog. I can only imagine the dread they feel as they open their browsers every morning to see yet more vitriol on the forums here and at the official site.

The big question I have is who are these supposed pilots that Asobo hired to make the SIM "As real as it gets". If they truly hired people who are RW pilots, and they had real input, how could so many glaring things been missed, ignored or passed?

This is tongue in cheek, but shouldn't they be getting a notice to call a number from the friendly guys at the FAA, have their AOPA memberships revoked, and their Airman Certificates yanked? 😄

BT

I dont feel for them at all. They released MSFS 2024 full of falls promises. I dont 'hate' them either but if they themselfs had started up 2024 and played it for 45 minutes they could have and should have know about the problems.  

Clearly there were no testers. Or, on the outside chance there were, they were completely ignored. In other words, they learned nothing from 2020. Maybe one day they will sort things out. But they should be embarrassed.

2 minutes ago, hansb57 said:

 if they themselfs had started up 2024 and played it for 45 minutes they could have and should have know about the problems.  

They worked too hard on the simulator. They just didn't have time to play!

I remember posting here in October, after the Alpha test Microsoft did, that this sim was not ready for release and shouldn't be released.

And then for 3 solid days, I was excoriated - to the point where I stopped even coming to AVSIM for about 3 months.

I was a Microsoft developer on FSX: Acceleration. I love the sim and have been proud to have my content featured in it.

But boy did I learn a big lesson about sounding warnings on AVSIM.

Never again.

I think you overestimate the power testers have. In the end it's all about resource management and deadlines. And testers can point bugs and errors until they are blue in the face if the deadline is not moved. 
It will just be decided by the game director or the publisher, to release anyway and keep the reports for a backlog.

I have mentioned and thought about this as well.  I know they hired 4 or 5 full-time RW pilots for the past year+ according to Jorg and wonder what these pilots actually provided to better the sim.  I would have happily volunteered for 48 hours and given enough info to improve the current sim vs real-world flying.  The other side of the coin is maybe these pilots did provide info/bug reports but the information was just not implemented. Kind of like all of the bugs reported in the 2020 Alpha by knowledgeable testers that were never fixed or implemented.

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by Flic1

41 minutes ago, Jaxsimmer said:

how could so many glaring things been missed, ignored or passed?

I've said it since SU1 for MSFS2020, their Quality Control is dreadful at times as proven time and time again. They have a QA department, they're clearly not working as well as they should be.

Nearly every bad addon I've seen is 'tested by real pilots'. It should be seen as a warning rather than an endorsement. 

I dont know exactly what percentage of the add ons from 2020  would work fine in 2024 but one thing that I know for shure is that I must own 95% of the add ons on theat list of not being compatible.

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by hansb57

1 hour ago, Vitold69 said:

A330 Driver I think 😉

😄😄😄😄

5 minutes ago, hansb57 said:

I dont know exactly what percentage of the add ons from 2020  would work fine in 2024 but one thing that I know for shure is that I must own 95% of the add ons on theat list of not being compatible.

I agree, that the compatible list is really short. 

50 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

Nearly every bad addon I've seen is 'tested by real pilots'. It should be seen as a warning rather than an endorsement. 

There are a few issues here that need to be taken into consideration.

Many developers will use loose terms like "study level, tested by real pilots, accurate dynamics," etc.

There are many so-called "real pilots" who did not set foot in an airplane but got books and pretended to be. Then there are real ones who are not qualified in the aircraft or just retired for many years and are entirely out of the loop. 

Personally, I was involved with a few developers and fought hard with them, the programmers, and the so-called "real pilots" (who were looking to get free software), who ultimately proved to have never flown any of the real airplanes they worked on. 

Another issue that has been noticed lately is the rush to release software that is not even a beta version to the public. This money grab is a bad business practice.

The bottom line is that you can have the best programmers and real pilots but the worst irresponsible decision-makers, like in this case with the MSFS2024, who will ultimately jeopardize the whole program.