The sim was called '2024' so it had to be released in 2024. The release date was announced in June so they had 5 months to get it done.

The rest is a Dilbert cartoon strip.

 

33 minutes ago, flyingscampi said:

The sim was called '2024' so it had to be released in 2024. The release date was announced in June so they had 5 months to get it done.

The rest is a Dilbert cartoon strip.

 

This is as reasonable an explanation I’ve seen as any other and probably the closest to the truth too.

2 hours ago, RobJC said:

Clearly there were no testers.

This is a lot of reading into tea leaves. But, I peruse the INI Discord a lot and they open about bugs and states of things.

What is interesting is in the case of the a400, we found out after launch there is a bug where a combination of live weather and sub zero temperatures (or, more likely just the sub zero temps) causes engine power to advance with throttles. INI's reaction was "wait, we tested this. This is weird."

I trust them on this one. When it comes to testing with their specific aircraft in the sim, I trust their testing methods.

The INI planes are the only one's I've tried in 2024. I have had 1 successful flight in an INI plane. I have the aforementioned a400 problem. Also in sub zero temps, the a330 landed and got stuck on the runway. A friend mentioned the same happened but when he started taxiing. Last night, I got a WASM crash approaching Panama in the a310. As soon as it grabbed the LOC, everything in the plane just died.

What I wonder is if that massive "day 1" patch Jorg referenced broke a lot of stuff and the regression testing just never happened.

2 hours ago, fsxmissionguy said:

And then for 3 solid days, I was excoriated - to the point where I stopped even coming to AVSIM for about 3 months.

FWIW, I both thought the alpha wasn't an indicator how bad the launch would be. However, there were other warning signs around the same time it would be bad. The biggest was no review copies.

1 hour ago, flyingscampi said:

The sim was called '2024' so it had to be released in 2024. The release date was announced in June so they had 5 months to get it done

Well, yes, but, I would assume sometime in 2022 Asobo and Microsoft sat down and negotiated for another title, given the success of 2020. They negotiated a 2024 release based on a set of factors, including the feature set, schedule of releases, finances -- the money from 2020 would not last forever -- etc., and agreed on 2024. During those negotiations Asobo committed to having the product ready for 2024 and Microsoft slotted it in to its marketing and development path. I am sure they could have negotiated 2025 and called it 2025, but they didn't. Asobo made a commitment and yes Microsoft would and should hold them to it. The title was announced in June 2023.

I think what we see is the inability of Asobo to complete the project by the agreed on release window.

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by Cognita

When thinking about it at the time, I kind of believed the lack of an open beta was a sign that they were pressed (or being pressed) for time by the commitment to a date-certain launch.

I also mused about there being perhaps some secret beta-testers under nda or something, but the late release/short window to test their products given to developers made me pause a bit,  wondering about what was going on.

I posted a video hinting about problematic developer issues, and it incensed somebody out there so much that they tried to have the thread closed!

2 hours ago, fsxmissionguy said:

I remember posting here in October, after the Alpha test Microsoft did, that this sim was not ready for release and shouldn't be released.

And then for 3 solid days, I was excoriated - to the point where I stopped even coming to AVSIM for about 3 months.

I was a Microsoft developer on FSX: Acceleration. I love the sim and have been proud to have my content featured in it.

But boy did I learn a big lesson about sounding warnings on AVSIM.

Never again.

You were basing your assertions on the tech alpha, and you made some pretty wild ones, at that.

When I use v2024 in the same manner as v2020, it's working well for me, and I've no desire to go back.

YMMV, but there's a broad spectrum of "usability", with some who have very specific requirements, and others who can have fun in anything with wings.

The only odd thing is that this "issue" comes up every single time a new sim or addon releases. Some people appreciate the release, and others declare it "utter garbage"

The truth, as with most things, is that Success is relative.

You want perfection, stay away from v2024.

And don't complain about it when the inevitable bugs arise.

I mean, it's not like v2020 isn't being maintained, right? Right.

3 hours ago, fsxmissionguy said:

Never again.

Thank you. Nothing more obnoxious than self-appointed doomsday prophets.

Edited December 9, 20241 yr by Sethos

30 minutes ago, Sethos said:

Thank you. Nothing more obnoxious than self-appointed doomsday prophets.

Always makes some people feel good when they can insult someone else, I guess. 😉

15 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

Always makes some people feel good when they can insult someone else, I guess. 😉

You're the expert on the subject ;) 

4 hours ago, Jaxsimmer said:

The big question I have is who are these supposed pilots that Asobo hired to make the SIM "As real as it gets".

Personally, I never believed a word Jorg and the other guys said during the developer streams which I haven't never seen either in more than four years 😉

Do people believe so called "Real Pilots" are going to offer advice for an Xbox game???

Seriously they don't need real pilots to test the functionality of many things that are broken even for people that aren't "real pilots".

They should have done deeper testing, not to worry.

We are all now testing for Microsoft and they will most likely correct most of the issues.

If one doesn't like the Microsoft timeline for release than just keep using something else for now. Simple as that!

 

3 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Do people believe so called "Real Pilots" are going to offer advice for an Xbox game???

Yes, after all real racing drivers helped test Assetto Corsa Competizione.....and that's an Xbox (and Playstation) game.

7 minutes ago, tpete61 said:

Do people believe so called "Real Pilots" are going to offer advice for an Xbox game???

Have you met the community? 🤯

I bet a ton of people here, real pilots and not, would have leapt at the chance of being part of an exclusive beta test, and to share their knowledge/experience with Microsoft/Asobo (and possibly brag about it, later) 🙃

The same thing happened with the QW787. I flew Boeing aircraft for several years, including the 777. After buying the QW787, I noticed many items that were inaccurate and completely wrong. They too, said that they were using actual 787 pilots for testing. I find it hard to believe that these "Pilots" missed so many things. Either that or the developers were more interested in creating eye candy than they were about the realism of the airplane. 

12 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Have you met the community? 🤯

I bet a ton of people here, real pilots and not, would have leapt at the chance of being part of an exclusive beta test, and to share their knowledge/experience with Microsoft/Asobo (and possibly brag about it, later) 🙃

It's a mess of a dam game. It doesn't need real pilots to fix!

It needs coders/programmers to fix.

Many of the issues are more than about piloting!

They will get it done, once again people need to just give them some time and go use some other program for the time being!