January 8, 20251 yr Author I ran ProcMon64 to capture the File Activity and Network activity during the 100+ seconds the sim was loading but not doing anything other than keeping one cpu busy: IRP_MJ_CLEANUP 0.0000065 C:\Windows\System32\opengl32.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLOSE 0.0000038 C:\Windows\System32\opengl32.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_READ 0.0003346 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 46,362,624, Length: 16,384, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS ...repeats hundreds of times IRP_MJ_READ 0.0001383 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 46,260,224, Length: 4,096, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS FASTIO_NETWORK_QUERY_OPEN 0.0000017 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll FAST IO DISALLOWED IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000488 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll Desired Access: Read Attributes, Disposition: Open, Options: Open Reparse Point, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened SUCCESS IRP_MJ_READ 0.0002858 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 44,069,376, Length: 16,384, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS FASTIO_QUERY_INFORMATION 0.0000044 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll Type: QueryBasicInformationFile, CreationTime: 11/24/24 03:10:24 PM, LastAccessTime: 1/7/25 06:59:57 PM, LastWriteTime: 11/24/24 03:10:24 PM, ChangeTime: 1/7/25 06:01:05 PM, FileAttributes: A SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLEANUP 0.0000115 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLOSE 0.0000030 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000578 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll Desired Access: Read Data/List Directory, Execute/Traverse, Synchronize, Disposition: Open, Options: Synchronous IO Non-Alert, Non-Directory File, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened SUCCESS IRP_MJ_READ 0.0002871 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 44,052,992, Length: 16,384, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS FASTIO_ACQUIRE_FOR_SECTION_SYNCHRONIZATION 0.0000026 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SyncType: SyncTypeCreateSection, PageProtection: PAGE_EXECUTE_READWRITE|PAGE_NOCACHE FILE LOCKED WITH ONLY READERS FASTIO_RELEASE_FOR_SECTION_SYNCHRONIZATION 0.0000010 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS FASTIO_ACQUIRE_FOR_SECTION_SYNCHRONIZATION 0.0000010 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SyncType: SyncTypeOther SUCCESS FASTIO_RELEASE_FOR_SECTION_SYNCHRONIZATION 0.0000004 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLEANUP 0.0000060 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLOSE 0.0000036 C:\Windows\System32\d3d9.dll SUCCESS FASTIO_NETWORK_QUERY_OPEN 0.0000012 C:\Windows\System32\d3d8.dll FAST IO DISALLOWED IRP_MJ_READ 0.0002495 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 43,180,544, Length: 16,384, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000312 C:\Windows\System32\d3d8.dll Desired Access: Read Attributes, Disposition: Open, Options: Open Reparse Point, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a NAME NOT FOUND FASTIO_NETWORK_QUERY_OPEN 0.0000011 C:\Windows\System32\d3d.dll FAST IO DISALLOWED IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000254 C:\Windows\System32\d3d.dll Desired Access: Read Attributes, Disposition: Open, Options: Open Reparse Point, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a NAME NOT FOUND IRP_MJ_READ 0.0003034 C:\Windows\System32\DriverStore\FileRepository\nv_dispi.inf_amd64_9425e4c3b1ac1c47\nvgpucomp64.dll Offset: 45,506,560, Length: 16,384, I/O Flags: Non-cached, Paging I/O, Synchronous Paging I/O, Priority: Normal SUCCESS FASTIO_NETWORK_QUERY_OPEN 0.0000010 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll FAST IO DISALLOWED IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000249 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll Desired Access: Read Attributes, Disposition: Open, Options: Open Reparse Point, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened SUCCESS FASTIO_QUERY_INFORMATION 0.0000028 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll Type: QueryBasicInformationFile, CreationTime: 5/7/22 12:19:35 AM, LastAccessTime: 1/7/25 06:59:57 PM, LastWriteTime: 5/7/22 12:19:35 AM, ChangeTime: 12/11/24 06:30:43 PM, FileAttributes: A SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLEANUP 0.0000065 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CLOSE 0.0000026 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll SUCCESS IRP_MJ_CREATE 0.0000458 C:\Windows\System32\ddraw.dll Desired Access: Read Data/List Directory, Execute/Traverse, Synchronize, Disposition: Open, Options: Synchronous IO Non-Alert, Non-Directory File, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened SUCCESS The sequence above from my prior note repeats thousands of times but the I/O rate is less than 1,000 Bytes per second and the Network traffic is negligible. The activity above persists until suddenly the loading screen jumps from 17% Activate Package to 25% and within 40-seconds the sim is finishing loading. My I7-9700K runs at 5.1GHz so I doubt it is the major cause of the slow loading. UserBenchMark shows the i7-12700K to be 48% faster when both types are overclocked to 5 GHz. Edited January 8, 20251 yr by TacomaSailor AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D / MSI X870 Tomahawk Mobo / 64 GB DDR5 memory / RTX 4070 Super with 12 GB VRAM / AORUS FO48U 4k display NVMe for Drive C, an NVMe device dedicated to Flight Sim 2024 and a separate NVMe device for Flight Sim 2020 and an NVMe dedicated to 500GB of addons managed by AddonsLinker / 1 GB Comcast Xfinity Internet connection / HP Reverb G2 / Tobii 5 Head & Eye Tracking
January 8, 20251 yr Author 1 hour ago, Bones62 said: Do you by any chance have your frame rate locked in Nvidia's Control Panel? After the third update, it was taking up to seven minutes to load for me, but once I disabled the locked frames, my loading time dropped down to two minutes. Also, make sure your system time is synched with internet time. My Community folder only contains the A2A Comanche. No frame lock I can find. nVidia Profile, RTSS, AfterBurner - none of them show a frame lock. The sim settings show no frame lock. The system time is always synced with the PC. I've checked many times. AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D / MSI X870 Tomahawk Mobo / 64 GB DDR5 memory / RTX 4070 Super with 12 GB VRAM / AORUS FO48U 4k display NVMe for Drive C, an NVMe device dedicated to Flight Sim 2024 and a separate NVMe device for Flight Sim 2020 and an NVMe dedicated to 500GB of addons managed by AddonsLinker / 1 GB Comcast Xfinity Internet connection / HP Reverb G2 / Tobii 5 Head & Eye Tracking
January 8, 20251 yr Author Can someone with a similar, "older", CPU give me some loading time numbers. Can someone tell me what their system is doing (CPU, File I/O, Network I/O) between the time the loading screen shows 14% and 25% Activating Packages - that seems to be where the slow down is and seems to be the time my PC is only using the CPU. Edited January 8, 20251 yr by TacomaSailor AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D / MSI X870 Tomahawk Mobo / 64 GB DDR5 memory / RTX 4070 Super with 12 GB VRAM / AORUS FO48U 4k display NVMe for Drive C, an NVMe device dedicated to Flight Sim 2024 and a separate NVMe device for Flight Sim 2020 and an NVMe dedicated to 500GB of addons managed by AddonsLinker / 1 GB Comcast Xfinity Internet connection / HP Reverb G2 / Tobii 5 Head & Eye Tracking
January 8, 20251 yr 4mins 30sec to the main menu for me Regards, Max (YSSY) i7-12700K | Corsair Vengeance LPX 64GB 3600MHz DDR4 | Gigabyte RTX4090 24Gb | Gigabyte Z690 AORUS ELITE DDR4 | Corsair HX1200 PSU
January 8, 20251 yr One day it can load in 2.5 Mins and next day 3.5 Mins max - but that said it can be those numbers after shutting down and restarting immediately Nothing consistent about it - local traffic prob effects loading from min to min - not an Asobo issue - is what it is - word not allowed shoot I have 1.2gb connection - Xfinity cable Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Richard Sennett Rich Sennett
January 8, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Mace said: 9700K Really.. 5 GHz CPU.. Edited January 8, 20251 yr by Bert Pieke Bert
January 8, 20251 yr I thought one of the big advantages of 2024 was supposed to be faster load times. However, I have seen no difference compared to 2020. Perhaps it is because I have very fast NVMe drives. In 2024’s favor, I also have 1Gbps symmetric internet service via fiber. Edited January 8, 20251 yr by kholt Pro-Sim A320 and MSFS 2024
January 8, 20251 yr I have over 200 items in my 2024 community folder, which is on a separate drive than my M.2 drive that 2024 is installed on. My startup takes about 3.5 minutes to main screen and another 1.5 mins to load into airport when I press fly now. Also, GSX, Active sky and AIG running in background. When I start 2020, I can go to the kitchen and make lunch and when I return it's still loading. Bill McIntyre Asus StrixB650E-F Gamer, AMD Ryzen 9 7900X3D, Corsair Titanium DDR5 64GB, Samsung 990 PRO-4TB M.2, (4) 2TB SSD's, Corsair H1150i liquid cooler, RTX 2080TI Founders Edition, (2) LG 34" HD Curved Monitor, Sound Blaster Audigy X, 1Kw PC Power & Cooling Power Supply, Corsair Obsidian Full tower Case. MSFS 2024, WIN11 Pro x64
January 8, 20251 yr 2:20 (minutes) to the main menu. System specs in my signature below. Of note. I use Addons Linker religiously and only load what I need for the next two or three flights, perhaps 20 items max including mods. aircraft, and scenery (mostly airports). Also loading concurrently Fltplan.Go, Active Sky, AutoFPS, and Navigraph Charts and Navdata. My system security is Microsoft Defender and Malwarebytes. That could be an influence and perhaps a key item for evaluating responses to this question. Edited January 8, 20251 yr by fppilot Frank Patton Corsair 5000D Airflow Case; MSI B650 Tomahawk MOB; Ryzen 7 7800 X3D CPU; ASUS RTX 4080 Super; NZXT 360mm liquid cooler; Corsair Vengeance 64GB DDR5 4800 MHz RAM; RMX850X Gold PSU;; ASUS VG289 4K 27" Display; Honeycomb Alpha & Bravo, Crosswind 3's w/dampener. Former USAF meteorologist & ground weather school instructor. AOPA Member #07379126 "I will never put my name on a product that does not have in it the best that is in me." - John Deere
January 8, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, Bigmack said: I have over 200 items in my 2024 community folder, which is on a separate drive than my M.2 drive that 2024 is installed on. My startup takes about 3.5 minutes to main screen and another 1.5 mins to load into airport when I press fly now. Also, GSX, Active sky and AIG running in background. When I start 2020, I can go to the kitchen and make lunch and when I return it's still loading. I too find 2020 to be 2 times or more slower to load than 2024. In 2020 when I click on the Fly button at the map page, I go to the internet to do something else while the flight loads. Not necessary in 2024. 5800X3D, RTX4070, 600 Watt, one or two 1440p 32" screens, 64 GB RAM, 4 TB PCle 3 NVMe, Warthog throttle, VKB NXT EVO stick, Honeycomb Alpha yoke, CH quad, 3 Logitech panels, 2 StreamDecks, Desktop Aviator Trim Panel. Crystal Light VR.
January 8, 20251 yr Been long time since using 2020 as you prob know - didnt realize it took that long to load 2020 - 3 mins is not so bad now - feel a lot better now 🙂 Rich Sennett
January 8, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said: Really.. 5 GHz CPU.. 4 or 5 generations old, too. Instructions Per Clock does matter. Not slamming it, just pointing it out. I had an 8700K up until not all that long ago. Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
January 8, 20251 yr I've disabled a lot of content I don't use and it's helped with my load times. It's also fixed the issue of the sim not exiting and hanging.
January 8, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, Bert Pieke said: Really.. 5 GHz CPU.. Bert another point on that...my 8700K could clock to roughly 5 ghz also. Yet, it's considerably slower than a 12700K for example, which also clocks to 5.0 ghz. Very broadly stated, Intel CPU's generation over generation, in recent years, improved circa 10% with each successive generation. And according to the OP's own testing, the MSFS2024 loader uses a lot of the cpu...hence these loading tasks take longer with the OP's 9700K than a more modern cpu would take. I'm not trying to sound the wrong way here, but this is not my theory, it is a factual statement about any load that hits the cpu hard, and a factual statement about what IPC (Instructions Per Clock) does generation-over-generation with the recent Intel cpu's. The 9700K is probably not the sole reason for the OP's slow load times. But given the OP's reported facts here it must be a significant factor. People keep looking for their favorite scapegoats like cloud gaming or whatever, but I just want to point out that it's a *9700K* we're talking about here. It can only do so much. @usernamerequired 's point about disabling content sounds good. That is something I am going to look into doing soon... Rhett 7800X3D ♣ 96 GB G.Skill Flare ♣ Gigabyte 4090 ♣ Crucial P5 Plus 2TB
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