16 hours ago, sdirand said:

Hopefuly the Majestic Q400 will fly in msfs before the last Q400 will retire IRL.

 

Its interesting how the ATR has outlived the Dash 8. In the Caribbean region, all the carriers that used Dash-8s in the 90's and 2000's are now fully ATR. 

On topic, flying the Q400 again in a modern sim will be quite an experience. Whenever it launches, I'll more than likely buy it.  

50 minutes ago, carlanthony24 said:

One of the retailers Majestic sell through is Just Flight so if they really wanted to they could pair up. If I remember correctly Majestic works with clients so the priorties were else where selling training versions. Then they lost a developer so things took a back seat. They know what they are doing and have been successful in doing so for a very long time. Its not going to be a dead project. This product was never trash. You only have to see the amount of people that flew it, from shared cockpit to streaming flights. The sounds were accurately modelled etc I wouldn't bother listening to this guy. Judging by how  you've written you're opinion I can't help but wonder why they may have been rude & arrogant. Always two sides to a story they say.

Mate, I did not say their q400 was bad. It was good in Fsx p3d era. But they could jot keep up when msfs launched. 5 years is a long time. Just go to their forums and read how they have been saying it for 5 years in different posts, oh we working on it. Did not see any progress in 5 years expect these junky renders. Look at synoptic, although they were slow but at least kept the users informed with the visuals. Bluebird. Pmdg, Fenix did the same. You just can't defend their arrogant team. Stop favoring and advocating on their behalf. 

Anyways used to care about their q400 for msfs but not anymore. Have some other great add-ons like Fenix, pmdg etc. You guys can keep cooking your little dash. 

Have fun and enjoy the wait. 

Edited May 29, 20251 yr by LineDX

1 hour ago, LineDX said:

Mate, I did not say their q400 was bad. It was good in Fsx p3d era. But they could jot keep up when msfs launched. 5 years is a long time. Just go to their forums and read how they have been saying it for 5 years in different posts, oh we working on it. Did not see any progress in 5 years expect these junky renders. Look at synoptic, although they were slow but at least kept the users informed with the visuals. Bluebird. Pmdg, Fenix did the same. You just can't defend their arrogant team. Stop favoring and advocating on their behalf. 

Anyways used to care about their q400 for msfs but not anymore. Have some other great add-ons like Fenix, pmdg etc. You guys can keep cooking your little dash. 

Have fun and enjoy the wait. 

Hard to keep up when they are a small team. Maybe try and make an aircraft and see how long it takes with ever changing sdk etc and being a small team. I've seen its just people who have no understanding how development works and just expect something to maybe take just a year. Synaptic actually have been pretty quiet only now are they decided to share more. I've not seen them be arrogrant if anything they've been around on Avsim. To be honest I've had nothing to complain to them. Like I said two sides to every story. I will enjoy the wait like I'm enjoying waiting for the BFU update again you can see people on the Discord usual people who again have no concept how development works and staff are frankly getting fed up with them. Enjoy what ever you decide to do.

19 hours ago, micstatic said:

competition is great.  But mostly us diehards who want the Q400.  It's not in super demand.  

Maybe, maybe not?

I would've guessed the F28 or BAe-146 would flop, but clearly there's a market. BN-2 Islander even seemed to sell okay, I think for those of us who have been around a long time it's pretty easy to think of the market as being marginally larger than what we had in P3D, but in reality it's much, much larger.

I would've said the same about the ATR... and that's a questionable comparison because it has a lot going for it, being MS subsidized and splayed all over the Marketplace, but a lot of people bought it regardless.

Maybe it's a price point thing, market access and channels play a part too, lots of factors at play when looking at this ecosystem now vs. 5 years ago. Not to say that I think it's necessarily a good bet, someone could get crunched, but I just don't see the MJC version coming... ever tbh.

49 minutes ago, mspencer said:

Maybe, maybe not?

I would've guessed the F28 or BAe-146 would flop, but clearly there's a market. BN-2 Islander even seemed to sell okay, I think for those of us who have been around a long time it's pretty easy to think of the market as being marginally larger than what we had in P3D, but in reality it's much, much larger.

I would've said the same about the ATR... and that's a questionable comparison because it has a lot going for it, being MS subsidized and splayed all over the Marketplace, but a lot of people bought it regardless.

Maybe it's a price point thing, market access and channels play a part too, lots of factors at play when looking at this ecosystem now vs. 5 years ago. Not to say that I think it's necessarily a good bet, someone could get crunched, but I just don't see the MJC version coming... ever tbh.

Fair point on the F28/146.  I'm not sure the flight sim market is so much bigger than p3d anymore.  It was at first when MSFS released.  It's definitely bigger.  But I get the impression many newbies came and went.  

ATR: much more common than the Q400 now.  

It's one of my favorite planes.  So I absolutely want it to come though.  One thing to consider is that the plane runs outside the sim.  Always has.  Considering that, I think majestic will in fact be able to push the ball over the line.  

26 minutes ago, micstatic said:

I think majestic will in fact be able to push the ball over the line

I hope so. All the systems code is portable, and won't need to be redone.  if renders are being shown they're clearly working on the model. Maybe it IS closer than we think?  Who knows, but time will tell.  

The Majestic developer had said a year or so ago that he no longer had a modeler.  The systems were largely done, but his previous model person left the team.  Kinda hard for them to push a product when no one can help them finish it.  Hopefully now that we see a model in production they can complete it.

8 hours ago, micstatic said:

 I'm not sure the flight sim market is so much bigger than p3d anymore.  It was at first when MSFS released.  It's definitely bigger.  But I get the impression many newbies came and went.  

  

All the data from developers points to otherwise.  
 

PMDG even said that people don’t realize just how TINY the P3D market was.  MSFS is still huge. 

I doubt the Majestic Team would go for it, but what about them partnering up with ASOBO as the follow-on project after ASOBO/WT release the Praetor 600 in their expert series.  Yes they lose some control but get access to a much larger market with official MS backing.  They will have access to strong modelers as well as better access to Dev Team for Tech Support. (are turboprops now accurately modeled?)

Much like the WT partnership with ASOBO where WT is handling avionics, systems and performance while ASOBO is doing the modeling, this type of arrangement could also leverage the existing talents of Majestic in those same areas as WT while ASOBO handles the modeling which is currently Majestic's weakness.

Just a thought from another soul pining away for the Q400

3 hours ago, ctalpas said:

I doubt the Majestic Team would go for it, but what about them partnering up with ASOBO as the follow-on project after ASOBO/WT release the Praetor 600 in their expert series.  Yes they lose some control but get access to a much larger market with official MS backing.  They will have access to strong modelers as well as better access to Dev Team for Tech Support. (are turboprops now accurately modeled?)

Much like the WT partnership with ASOBO where WT is handling avionics, systems and performance while ASOBO is doing the modeling, this type of arrangement could also leverage the existing talents of Majestic in those same areas as WT while ASOBO handles the modeling which is currently Majestic's weakness.

Just a thought from another soul pining away for the Q400

They would be asked (forced) to do the q400 for xbox as well, which implies that they sould throw all the externally-run systems out the window and start from scratch. 

4 hours ago, ATRguy said:

All the data from developers points to otherwise.  
 

PMDG even said that people don’t realize just how TINY the P3D market was.  MSFS is still huge. 

Show me where they say the markets is STILL huge 

4 hours ago, micstatic said:

Show me where they say the markets is STILL huge 

The 777-300ER sold 6,000 units in three minutes when their servers went down.   
 

PMDG said the DC-6 for MSFS outsold every other DC-6, on every platform (FSX, P3D, and XP), within hours of its release.  
 

There have barely been anything new for P3D since MSFS came out.  

Not sure why people are surprised that a game that is much more accessible and doesn’t look 25 years old like P3D does outsells it and has a way bigger user base. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, ATRguy said:

The 777-300ER sold 6,000 units in three minutes when their servers went down.   
 

PMDG said the DC-6 for MSFS outsold every other DC-6, on every platform (FSX, P3D, and XP), within hours of its release.  
 

There have barely been anything new for P3D since MSFS came out.  

Not sure why people are surprised that a game that is much more accessible and doesn’t look 25 years old like P3D does outsells it and has a way bigger user base. 
 

 

that doesn't really tell the story though.  How many 777-300ER's did they sell in old sim?  The DC-6 is not relevant.  It came out when the MSFS numbers were still very very high.  You are incorrectly assuming I'm turning this into a sim vs sim.  I am not.  In fact I don't use p3d anymore.  I'm just trying to say that it's false to say MSFS is still riding the initial wave.  Many of those users moved on to something else.  Clearly the market is still bigger now than the p3d days however.  Other developers have commented that msfs isn't quite as big as it was right at release.  Which tracks with less mainstream media coverage and streamers not showing it in game benchmarks at the frequency they used to.  

3 hours ago, micstatic said:

that doesn't really tell the story though.  How many 777-300ER's did they sell in old sim?  The DC-6 is not relevant.  It came out when the MSFS numbers were still very very high.  You are incorrectly assuming I'm turning this into a sim vs sim.  I am not.  In fact I don't use p3d anymore.  I'm just trying to say that it's false to say MSFS is still riding the initial wave.  Many of those users moved on to something else.  Clearly the market is still bigger now than the p3d days however.  Other developers have commented that msfs isn't quite as big as it was right at release.  Which tracks with less mainstream media coverage and streamers not showing it in game benchmarks at the frequency they used to.  

We could argue that we have zero evidence that the flight sim market has reduced in size. If anything there is more proof that's it grown over the last couple of years.

there have been a handful of third party developers over the last year who have said this.