In my opinion, for a new launch it flies better than more other newly launched add-ons, at least this is my experience. The item which is listed as part of the product and not working, meaning the Navigraph Charts for MSFS2020, is not nice but hopefully they will be able to fix it in a shorter time. I still can fly it but I know that this happens when people are getting spoiled with new stuff/features like this in the sim, expectations are getting higher (and as the price is also higher...) 😅

I do feel is not so immersive for 90 EUR like Fenix which is better priced, but what would be the alternative? 

Just as a small thing, I also think that the NAV and Strobe lights could be better (I think someone has mentioned this in a few posts back).

So far not bad at all!

FPS tanks in the cabin and does anyone know how to set a default panel state instead of starting from cold and dark all the time?

3 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

The Leonardo MD82 is $78.58 USD at SimMarket: https://secure.simmarket.com/leonardo-software-house-srl-fly-the-maddog-x-msfs.phtml

The iniBuilds A350 is approximately $76.16 USD: https://inibuilds.com/products/inibuilds-a350-airliner-msfs-2024

The PMDG 777 is $74.99 USD: https://pmdg.com/pmdg-777-300er-for-microsoft-flight-simulator-2020/

Here are the prices in USD:

MSFS

• Fenix A320 = Approximately $62.91 USD at today's exchange rate
• PMDG 737-800 = $69.99 USD
• TFDI MD-11 =$69.99 USD
• Leonardo MD82 = $78.58 USD
• Inibuilds A350 = Approximately $76.16 at iniBuild's webpage
• PMDG 777 = $74.99

Average: $72.10 USD
 

X-Plane

• Toliss A320neo = $89.99 USD
• Rotate MD-11 (Passenger) = $83.95 USD
• Rotate MD80 = $59.95 USD
• FFA350 = $64.95 USD
• FF777 = $89 USD

Average: $77.57 USD

The average price of the MSFS add-ons come out cheaper, even with the add-ons that you picked to compose the average price.

Interesting.

I didn't make the prices up when I quoted them - if they were presented to me in USD I converted them to GBP using Google "89.99 usd in gbp" to get the GBP value (since this is where I live).

I'm not entirely sure what point it is you're trying to prove other than "hur hur fpvsteve you're wrong hur hur" but all you've proved with your figures is that despite marketshare being much larger, MSFS addons aren't, despite us being told they would be, that much cheaper than those on X-Plane (which are usually criticised for being so expensive despite having detailed and accurate systems).

So what are your thoughts on that?

Edited February 28, 20251 yr by FPVSteve

I've been flying it in 2020 and I've not had any major issues so far *touch wood*. I'm enjoying it so far! 

sf

11 minutes ago, FPVSteve said:

I didn't make the prices up when I quoted them - if they were presented to me in USD I converted them to GBP using Google "89.99 usd in gbp" to get the GBP value (since this is where I live).

I'm not entirely sure what point it is you're trying to prove other than "hur hur fpvsteve you're wrong hur hur" but all you've proved with your figures

 

Wait a minute. Those were the add-ons that you chose, not me.  They were simply the USD price of the add-ons that you chose.

12 minutes ago, FPVSteve said:

Interesting.

I didn't make the prices up when I quoted them - if they were presented to me in USD I converted them to GBP using Google "89.99 usd in gbp" to get the GBP value (since this is where I live).

I'm not entirely sure what point it is you're trying to prove other than "hur hur fpvsteve you're wrong hur hur" but all you've proved with your figures is that despite marketshare being much larger, MSFS addons aren't, despite us being told they would be, that much cheaper than those on X-Plane (which are usually criticised for being so expensive despite having detailed and accurate systems).

So what are your thoughts on that?

I already told you, the average prices of MSFS add-ons is cheaper than XP add-ons.  In this case, the average was about $5.50 USD cheaper. But like I said, you didn't even account for the free IAE and Sharklets that Fenix gave.  The Sharklets themselves cost $59.95 USD when they were originally released by FSLabs for P3D: https://fselite.net/content/flight-sim-labs-releases-a320-x-and-a321-x-sharklets-for-p3d/. Fenix was able to do this because of the sheer market size of MSFS - I am skeptical if Fenix would be able to offer the IAE and Sharklets for free if they had developed for P3D or XP (assuming there was no other study level A320/A321 if Fenix developed for P3D and XP, but there already is).

Not only is the average MSFS add-on cheaper than XP add-on, but it's also cheaper than P3D add-ons.  Between MSFS, XP, and P3D, if you want to save money buying add-ons, MSFS is probably the cheapest among the 3 flight simulators.

 

1 hour ago, rick celik said:

FPS tanks in the cabin and does anyone know how to set a default panel state instead of starting from cold and dark all the time?

I don't think that is an option at the moment unfortunately. Might be included in the incoming patch...

Flies very nicely and looks quite pretty.

Performance could be better, though. I compared to the Fenix A320 standing on some taxiway in EDDC, live weather, same settings, engines running, MSFS 2024: Fenix 45 to 50 fps, inibuilds A350 33 to 35 fps. I think they should do some optimizations. 🙂

Edited February 28, 20251 yr by crimplene

29 minutes ago, abrams_tank said:

sf

Wait a minute. Those were the add-ons that you chose, not me.  They were simply the USD price of the add-ons that you chose.

I already told you, the average prices of MSFS add-ons is cheaper than XP add-ons.  In this case, the average was about $5.50 USD cheaper. But like I said, you didn't even account for the free IAE and Sharklets that Fenix gave.  The Sharklets themselves cost $59.95 USD when they were originally released by FSLabs for P3D: https://fselite.net/content/flight-sim-labs-releases-a320-x-and-a321-x-sharklets-for-p3d/. Fenix was able to do this because of the sheer market size of MSFS - I am skeptical if Fenix would be able to offer the IAE and Sharklets for free if they had developed for P3D or XP (assuming there was no other study level A320/A321 if Fenix developed for P3D and XP, but there already is).

Not only is the average MSFS add-on cheaper than XP add-on, but it's also cheaper than P3D add-ons.  Between MSFS, XP, and P3D, if you want to save money buying add-ons, MSFS is probably the cheapest among the 3 flight simulators.

 

The prices I quoted were the prices I saw - I'm in the UK, perhaps the prices are given to us differently (we have VAT over here - I'm not sure where you are)?

For me, it would have been cheaper to purchase the X-Plane addons. And I know I didn't account for every single variation of every single plane, I simply did a quick comparison of comparable addon prices - it's not that deep.

2 hours ago, rick celik said:

So far not bad at all!

FPS tanks in the cabin and does anyone know how to set a default panel state instead of starting from cold and dark all the time?

Don't think its possible, havn't seen the option in the efb section as off yet

Edited February 28, 20251 yr by pete_auau

9 hours ago, sd_flyer said:

How do you feel gear suspension  during  landing? When nose gear collapse? When you bounce? Or when your gear  struts go through the wing? 

 

 

When you can observe a little nice cushion breaking your descent, followed by a brief battle between mass, gravity, and the gear suspension as the plane settles. In MSFS its instead simply a hard SMASH. Like your struts hydraulics is completely jammed. In real life however (And In *cough*Xplane*cough*) its a soft plop (unless you bottom out the suspension), bounce, and settle. Sometimes, that gear compression will cause you to spring back up into the air, albeit very briefly. Depending on how much air is flowing under your wings on touch down. In MSFS however, this isnt really well simulated, even on a Fenix. Which to me strongly hints at a physics limitation of MSFS. But on all of Inibuild planes, its not simulated at all. Observably less than other competing developers. I don't know why they struggle with it, but its horrendous. Its all bad. No one can deny this. But at the same time, no one seems to care. So oh well.
 

 

Edited February 28, 20251 yr by FedDriver

Currently flying OMDB-EGLL in 2024, so far very  good.

Lovely aircraft, very nicely built with lots of never seen features before. Minor bugs need to fixes and optimizations. No product is perfect on launch. They will improve over time. Ini needs thumbs up and appreciation for their hard work. 

I miss the smoke when I touch it. Was it really that difficult to do?

12 hours ago, Cognita said:

Yea, these are the kinds of things I don't get. Every simulated plane is scripted, completely scripted. Sure, you could put a randomizer in the code so there is some variation but that too is scripted. These are digital planes.

You're right. What I mean in this is they aren't even "simulating" the blades slowly starting to spool up because of the air pressure turning them until the engine can start on its own. They are just still and then they suddenly start spooling up quickly. I've watched the real engine spool up on youtube on an A350 and the difference is night and day. 

I gave a small example of something that's just attention to detail beyond complex systems simulations that some people might expect at this price point. I'd be happy with something less detailed in deep systems simulations if the aircraft would receive the attention to detail in other areas like engine spool up, hand-flying feel, landing gear compressing when touching down, proper ecam messages for normal flight procedures, etc. . Make it "feel" real. I can't describe it but flying the Fenix A320 just feels so much more immersive and "real" vs any of the others, even though I'm not doing anything more special in that one versus the rest, and I think people who fly the Fenix or the PMDGs can attest to that. And that's why are worth their asking price points. This one feels about 80% of the way to where it should be, while being 20-50% more expensive.

That being said, it's not a bad plane, some people are behaving as if this is not even worth looking at because Fenix said it's missing stuff. Don't think that's the case. Think it's just a case of wrong pricing. I'll be flying this over the weekend and get more hours with it. And maybe, I think, it convinced me to reinstall FS2024 with SU1 Beta and give it another shot. A330 Driver did a full flight video to Cape Town with this one and it looked pretty good.

Edited February 28, 20251 yr by SAS274

13 hours ago, cavaricooper said:

I am happy with this purchase overall.  I do hope they are working on-

Navigraph Terminal Chart depiction

BTV Wet/Dry selection with Navigraph

Checklist Operation

VC sounds

I love the ability to get METARs and ATIS on the OIS- hopefully they will implement this.

Still- I am pleased and hope that the community can create additional repaints.  For the US there are a shortage of RW A350 operators, so I do hope someone does a fictional AAL.

Best- C

Would someone on “Discord” be able to comment on if IniBuilds is aware of and working on these issues please?

Ta- C