1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

Since when does every aired opinion need to be commented on?

Opinions by their nature invite comment.

You'd have thought MS would have learned their lesson after changing their naming policies decades ago. 

Windows 95

Windows 98

Windows 2000 

Ahhh. That makes our products sound obsolete a year later. 

XP /Vista /7/8/10/11/12 (where did 9 go?!) 

Also msfs 98,2000,2002,2004 then ahhhh lesson learned 

FSX........... 

Hey how about we go back to the old method again? 

2020 /2024. 

Sure that dates them again but it's much easier to sell a product that has a new name and then the next after it instead of FSX which technically is never obsolete from the name. 

At least it's not as bad as EA SPORTS and their annual release consigned to the bargain bin for 2 bucks the next year or cars that drop in value 30% when the new model comes out. 

Aye it’s a bloody shambles isn’t i, it really is….and all because of money, money money money money…all the bloody time.  …makes the world go around you see doesn’t it…anyway enjoy what you have in your life, health and strength first….then money

+1 in agreement with the OP.

Seriously, since gaming in the late 70's, this is my lifetime worst game purchase ever. 

It's also the first time I ever loathe a gaming developer.

On the somehow bright side, I guess that's 2 categories they've excelled at for me.

Edited March 1, 20251 yr by VeryBumpy
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Wow! Not so long ago people jumped on those who preferred to stay with other sims. Now the inflighting has started on the same simulator. There are some people here who need to button it. The OP made some very valid points. If it didn't interest you just move on to the next topic.

This is a place where people can discuss flight simulation in a mature manner. If you feel you can't add to the discussion in a positive way then please don't bother posting negative thoughts.

16 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

Wow! Not so long ago people jumped on those who preferred to stay with other sims. Now the inflighting has started on the same simulator. There are some people here who need to button it. The OP made some very valid points. If it didn't interest you just move on to the next topic.

This is a place where people can discuss flight simulation in a mature manner. If you feel you can't add to the discussion in a positive way then please don't bother posting negative thoughts.

It always seems like the same few people launch an attack on anyone that speaks negatively about 2024, with a vengeance—strange behavior. 

21 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

It always seems like the same few people launch an attack on anyone that speaks negatively about 2024, with a vengeance—strange behavior. 

If they persist then compulsory holidays may be dished out.

Another Greazer post, lol. Some valid points though, I must admit.

48 minutes ago, Ray Proudfoot said:

This is a place where people can discuss flight simulation in a mature manner. If you feel you can't add to the discussion in a positive way then please don't bother posting negative thoughts

I wholeheartedly agree. But let us keep it balanced by all means, because although I do agree wat Bob is saying here:

30 minutes ago, Bobsk8 said:

It always seems like the same few people launch an attack on anyone that speaks negatively about 2024, with a vengeance—strange behavior

At the same time the criticasters are also not exactly holding back in their choice of words when attacking the MSFS 2024 developers and everyone who is currently enjoying MSFS 2024.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

Four years is not long enough for new versions of flight sim (2024 Proves that)

@brinx put this quite succiently.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

Don't give us 200 default planes next time (less is more)

It's funny because it was specifically in this community where I saw the most users buying the most expensive variant of FS24 under the excitement of having more planes. So we don't want that anymore? Interesting

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

Focus on Core Sim features

A lot of what we see in FS24 demonstrates that focus, I'm not really sure why some are adamant that it's not a focus. @lwt1971 has gone to great lengths providing a multiple of excerpts to prove that in various threads.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

Maximize performance for power rigs and make cloud streaming optional

Cloud Streaming was a USP for FS20 and what's allowed for a lot of it's capabilities regarding planet recreation. FS24 blundered that with it's poor architecture setup but it's not an argument to not have cloud streaming as that kind of technolgy has more than proven itself over the decades and various other services we use today. However, I do agree that there should be a focus on optimisation as not even 4090s aren't being fully utilised as they should, but that's easier said than done with a sim.

13 hours ago, Greazer said:

• There should be a 6+ month private Beta testing period
• The year should not be included in the title (in case of delays)
• Redo entirely the controller mappings and make text editing possible

Entirely fair points.

10 hours ago, Greazer said:

1. Overhaul the studio including development practices

2. Reduce non performing employees

3. Focus on real simmers and not gamers or casuals

4. Bring extensive AI features to offline mode (similar to BATC but a lot more even)

5. Continue to fund Working Title, and even more so.

6. Extend Ray tracing to local environment.

7. Animated AI copilots who can perform co pilot duties, read checklists, answer any questions, help fly, communicate with ATC, ground crew and cabin crew etc, advise warnings, tell jokes, complete walk arounds, give briefings and suggest flight path changes due to bad weather etc

1. This is an easy topic to point fingers at where a lot of simmers think it's a nuanced subject. I'm not going to get into it because no dev company is perfect. Then there's Bean counters having to contend with that often miss the blame.

2. We're to assume there's non-performing employees because what exactly?

3. You can refer to my answer about `Improving core sim features`. However, this elitism attitude is what kills hobbies, Asobo is more than capable on suiting the needs for both casual and high-fidelity simmers as-well as anyone else who just enjoys simming, it's not an either or situation.

4, 5, 6. For sure these are fair points

7. Be realistic here but what you're asking.

9 hours ago, Greazer said:

1. Advanced pushback system, services trucks and jetway system that works with all kinds of aircraft.

2. Passenger models that can be "placed" on seats when aircraft loads or after payload changes. 

3. Advanced weather radar and ground terrain 

4. RAAS system 

5. ACARS system 

6. Aircraft maintenance system 

7. Configurable callout system for all kinds of aircraft and choice of voice type (AiI copilot)

8. Advanced TCAS system

9. AI cabin crew and emergency system 

10. Virtual airline, in sim, system

1, 2. Yeah these would be nice to have. but the passenger models is more than likely something that aircraft devs would need to implement.

3. I agree to a certain degree

4, 5, 8. This is done by aircraft devs

6. This is easier said than done, it would be near impossible to have one that's abstract enough to suit every aircraft needs, therefore done by aircraft devs imo

7. For what? Again done by aircraft devs

9. Cabin crew would be cool... However this is a massive undertaking, so why not just leave it to 3rd party? emergency system is done by aircraft devs

10. Why? We have more than enough VAs to choose from. IF anything it'd be better if the career system in FS24 just gets expanded a bit

 

I understand this is a long post but I figured I'd ojectively respond. A lot of the things you want, don't really have a lot of thought to it, whereas other things are pretty fair points. However, much like your previous posts, you instinctively just write stuff without a lot of thought put into it and hoping something sticks. You genuinely make some fair points so I hope the next time you do post, you put more thought into it rather than just surface level stuff.

Edited March 1, 20251 yr by Lucky38i

45 minutes ago, Lucky38i said:

A lot of what we see in FS24 demonstrates that focus, I'm not really sure why some are adamant that it's not a focus. @lwt1971 has gone to great lengths providing a multiple of excerpts to prove that in various threads.

A lot of great and reasonable points in your post Lucky38i. And given that the "they didn't focus enough on core simulation aspects!" trope keeps coming up, I'll just copy/paste below from my prev post about the core aspects they did focus on 🙂. My take on the whole 2024 release and roll-out remains the same as many others here.. yes it was too early to release with the amount of bugs, yes the launch day(s) was a disaster, etc. That said, like many others, the current state of 2024 makes for a rather compelling experience without deal-breakers for me, and I find myself using it most of the time with the occasional return to 2020 to fly an aircraft not native/compatible to 2024 yet. And 2024 is already getting better with SU1, and SU2 is coming end of April, etc.

For those who bought 2024 on launch day and then keep repeatedly complaining about the bugs and any deal-breakers for their system/situation.. well, as long-term simmers and users of complex software if you're not going to wait a bit to take stock of reviews and others' feedback then it's your problem. For those who feel it needed more time in the oven, just wait it out until it gets to a state of usefulness for you (if ever). The strangest bunch are those who don't have 2024, or never had 2024, yet keep complaining about it, Asobo, etc at every opportunity they get (and a lot of it with some extreme hyperbole).

2024 "core" simulation areas that got improvements or are new:
- improved flight dynamics, improved aircraft creation/development tools
- much improved and revamped ground handling and related physics, water physics
- much improved ground details (which also goes hand in hand with the ground physics above)
- new atmospheric photometric lighting engine, ray-traced cockpit lighting
- default birds like the ini A330, ini A321LR etc which by all accounts are of considerable fidelity for default, along with the various other default birds that have improved FMs/systems/avionics/etc
- improved rendering of clouds, clouds density, clouds lighting, new cloud types, etc
- 24hr historical snapshot of the MSFS world (not just all the MSFS weather served for the past 24 hrs but also traffic/other data)
- seasons, 3D trees, multiple diverse biomes
- a default capable and complex flight planner, LIDO charts, etc
- native dx12 support
- better multi-threading
- aviation activities, and related new physics (soft-body, load carrying, etc) and interaction with flight dynamics
- an already payware-grade avionics suite default in 2020 further improved in 2024.. and new Primus Epic 2 & Universal UNS-1
- new default EFB, improved default systems, wear and tear
- more and diverse type of AI traffic aircraft types and better livery matching
- thin client
 

Edited March 1, 20251 yr by lwt1971

11 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

The strangest bunch are those who don't have 2024, or never had 2024, yet keep complaining about it, Asobo, etc at every opportunity they get (and a lot of it with some extreme hyperbole)

Yep, strange to say the least...

5 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I have to say, you demonstrate a quite astonishing lack of self awareness. I give you this challenge: find JUST ONE example of you using your moderator status to remind everyone that the pile on of negativity meted out to positive comments of MSFS2024 since launch needed to be done in a more mature or positive way.

If you can do that, I’ll happily take whatever suspension or ban you deem fit in response to my temerity. Frankly, I’ve had enough of your nakedly one-sided ‘balance’.

Hear, hear! To be honest I was reluctant in my previous comment, but you're saying what I meant. Discussing moderation is not allowed I know, so I'll let go now. It doesn't take much to get a warning here.

27 minutes ago, scotchegg said:

I have to say, you demonstrate a quite astonishing lack of self awareness. I give you this challenge: find JUST ONE example of you using your moderator status to remind everyone that the pile on of negativity meted out to positive comments of MSFS2024 since launch needed to be done in a more mature or positive way.

If you can do that, I’ll happily take whatever suspension or ban you deem fit in response to my temerity. Frankly, I’ve had enough of your nakedly one-sided ‘balance’.

You really can’t help but start drama.
 

Here is the key difference. When someone posts how much they are enjoying 2024 nobody goes out of their way to rain on their parade. If they are enjoying 2024, good for them! But if anyone posts how much they are not enjoying 2024, you make a snarky post. Every time. You appear to be offended by anyone not sharing your views on 2024. 

Also, I think Ray lets things play out most of the time, and he isn’t heavy handed about being a mod. He has reminded me a time or two about something i posted, but always respectfully.

8 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Since when does every aired opinion need to be commented on?

Let me make sure we are on the same page.

You believe that people have a right to voice their opinions whenever and where they want to just because they have said opinion.
 

Then YOU can comment on other people’s opinions but other people cannot? 

On top of all this, you are incapable of commenting with anything original?

Are we on the same page or did I miss something?

As discussion had deviated away from the topic title either get back on topic or it will be locked. Out of courtesy to the OP that would not be something I want to do.