Microsoft is protecting your account.   The 24 hour period stops hackers continuously trying different passwords to get in.

If after 24 hours, you still can't get in after another try, call Microsoft Support.

Edited March 5, 20251 yr by Matt Webb

51 minutes ago, sloppysmusic said:

Don't get me started on 2 step verification for non financial critical logins. 

"Dear user we have mandated 2 step verification for your account and found an old phone number in your profile that obviously no longer is accessible to you to make our service impossible for you to access from now on". 

Well, yeah, that’s silly - I understand why I need 2FA to get into my expense account, but I have no idea why I need it to login to my Nvidia account. 

46 minutes ago, Matt Webb said:

Microsoft is protecting your account.   The 24 hour period stops hackers continuously trying different passwords to get in.

If after 24 hours, you still can't get in after another try, call Microsoft Support.

Is there actually a number that you can call for Microsoft Support? You know, a proper number that doesn't take you through half an hour of convoluted automatic messages about the services that they can provide, or a detailed explanation of why there aren't any real people at the end of the line? Getting through to a real person these days (about anything) is a massive exercise in frustration.

4 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Is there actually a number that you can call for Microsoft Support? You know, a proper number that doesn't take you through half an hour of convoluted automatic messages about the services that they can provide, or a detailed explanation of why there aren't any real people at the end of the line? Getting through to a real person these days (about anything) is a massive exercise in frustration.

Don't know.   I called MS support with a licensing issue a few years ago and eventually got a human.

 

If it's to recover an account with a thousand dollars of licenses tied to it, then it's time we'll spent.

Started using Keeper Password manager about 12 years ago. I must have well over 100-150 different passwords. I never worry about losing one. 

50 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

Is there actually a number that you can call for Microsoft Support? You know, a proper number that doesn't take you through half an hour of convoluted automatic messages about the services that they can provide, or a detailed explanation of why there aren't any real people at the end of the line? Getting through to a real person these days (about anything) is a massive exercise in frustration.

Yes there is and it actually works pretty well. Of course it could be answered anywhere in the world but with tech skills that's no issue. Despite having half my career in IT sometimes I've called them up because their online support is terrible imo. You can get 100s of users with the same issue and the SOLVED answer is just useless copy paste from a Windows help file. 

https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/topic/customer-service-phone-numbers-c0389ade-5640-e588-8b0e-28de8afeb3f2

It works by callback so no waiting for a hour in a queue. The first thing they do is check your licence (which is done by ip your pc was registered with normally). 

Then they make sure you're not trying to get paid support for free (like say asking for a tutorial on how to rollout 100 copies of office to your corporate hq). 

Then you're actually getting help from a human being. The first contact may be scripted to save time but if you're obviously savvy and know which end of a mouse to plugin you'll get escalated to some pretty smart folk eventually. 

Now... Try calling Google or Meta and that's a different story. 

Oh Apple also has phone support. My Dad's mac crashed and said the recovery partition software was no longer supported for that hardware as well as being password locked out of the operation so I reached for the phone. A very nice tech guy taught me how to bypass apple login security (eye opener) and install an unsupported os. I suspect Apple outsource support as he was VERY helpful. 🤔😁

1 hour ago, Christopher Low said:

Is there actually a number that you can call for Microsoft Support? You know, a proper number that doesn't take you through half an hour of convoluted automatic messages about the services that they can provide, or a detailed explanation of why there aren't any real people at the end of the line? Getting through to a real person these days (about anything) is a massive exercise in frustration.

Do you understand how many people are trying to contact Microsoft (with software issues) on a daily basis and not just for a game like MSFS? You would be lucky to get in contact with a human in less than a hour.

Methinks you doth protest too much.

26 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Do you understand how many people are trying to contact Microsoft (with software issues) on a daily basis and not just for a game like MSFS? You would be lucky to get in contact with a human in less than a hour.

No, Microsoft support actually works pretty well. I've used it for various issues with O365 and whatnot and it's based on a callback system, so they call you. You don't sit in a queue for hours, at least in my experience. Of course it's a massive company so no idea how support for MSFS is, but generally speaking they do try to provide good support. 

I've had good experiences with it. 

I called them a few year's ago in the UK, because i had trouble validating the licence after a hardware upgrade. I got straight through with no issue, and sorted in minutes.

2 hours ago, Bobsk8 said:

Started using Keeper Password manager about 12 years ago. I must have well over 100-150 different passwords. I never worry about losing one. 

Why pay a subscription (monthly or annually) for a password manager when you have Bitwarden for free, which is considered one of the best? I used Lastpass for years but when they started asking for money I changed to Bitwarden and never looked back.

Apologies to the OP for the off-topic.

Edited March 5, 20251 yr by Alvega

10 hours ago, Alvega said:

Why pay a subscription (monthly or annually) for a password manager when you have Bitwarden for free, which is considered one of the best? I used Lastpass for years but when they started asking for money I changed to Bitwarden and never looked back.

Apologies to the OP for the off-topic.

Also very OT but what's keeping me from using such a manager is that you need to install an app or extension for every device and browser you use, right? I daily use 4 different devices and 5 different browsers. Not even talking about apps. I also have to login somewhere every now and then on a device which is not my own. Seems VERY complicated to use a manager in a situation like that. Or am I mistaken?

1 hour ago, mistolip said:

Also very OT but what's keeping me from using such a manager is that you need to install an app or extension for every device and browser you use, right? I daily use 4 different devices and 5 different browsers. Not even talking about apps. I also have to login somewhere every now and then on a device which is not my own. Seems VERY complicated to use a manager in a situation like that. Or am I mistaken?

I install the extension on my main browser (Chrome) and import bookmarks and extensions to other browsers. On my phone and tablet I have the app installed. Very simple. I only use my own devices though. When using a public device you can check the password on your phone and manually insert it, so you don't need to install the extension on that device. 

1 hour ago, mistolip said:

Also very OT but what's keeping me from using such a manager is that you need to install an app or extension for every device and browser you use, right? I daily use 4 different devices and 5 different browsers. Not even talking about apps. I also have to login somewhere every now and then on a device which is not my own. Seems VERY complicated to use a manager in a situation like that. Or am I mistaken?

I mean the other solution is having to remember permutations of 1-3 passwords which from a security standpoint is setting you up for ruin. Once the managers and extensions are installed on your various devices and browsers there's not really much left for you to do. You open up avsim and the manager automatically suggests filling in your password. You open navigraph on your ipad, the manager automatically suggests filling in your password there.

You're now responsible for remembering 1 password and your passwords to everything else are entirely free from your memory to be managed by the.. manager.

I guess you'll have to decide how that fairs for you but there's no way I would go back.

12 hours ago, Alvega said:

Why pay a subscription (monthly or annually) for a password manager when you have Bitwarden for free, which is considered one of the best?

I haven't used Bitwarden so my comments is going to come from a place of bias. I've used 1PA for several years now and to put it simply, it just works and it integrates into everything I used, Linux, Mac, Browsers, and Windows. Most importantly 1PA makes use of a secret-key that in a way that Bitwarden doesn't (It does support Yubico but that's an additional cost) which more or less provides a 3rd tier of authentication in case any of my devices are compromised or even if somehow someone gets access to my 1PA password, they can't log in anywhere as my secret key is physically stored at home or within my 1PA vault. For everything else bitwarden and 1PA more or less do the same thing (from what I'm seeing), unless 1PA decides to jack up the price for whatever reason, I think I'm reasonably getting my money's worth.