Welp, I had been waiting for the FSLabs NEOs but given how happy I've been with Fenix, I'll stick with them. On top of the product, I like the fact that they actually engage and communicate with their customers. That alone will have me skipping the FSLab NEOs as that company can't seem to communicate to save their lives.  

Hopefully Fenix tackles the A330 next! Love what they are doing and how they go about it. 

4 hours ago, abrams_tank said:

I guess they feel that FSLabs has no chance of beating Fenix to the NEO in MSFS.

For me, and I think for many, now that Fenix has announced the Neo FSLabs is not really in the equation. It does not matter to me when FSLabs releases their version, I will wait for the FENIX. It is not only about being first.

 

6 hours ago, BrammyH said:

My word, as part of the BFG

"There’s also a new dynamic touchdown system which individually accounts for each wheel’s touchdown rate, and generates unique touchdown sounds accordingly. "

Wow 😃

Edited March 29, 20251 yr by SN737

1 hour ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

How many times over the last few years we  have heard this one with not much substance backing this up? When was their last development update?

There's news coming in April.

ini Builds is apparently doing or helping with the 3D modeling for the A220.

Edited March 29, 20251 yr by Tuskin38

1 hour ago, ha5mvo said:

That's exactly the scenario I was drawing in a previous post....

So if we agree that it's (the sim radar, that is) useless on rotation, climb or descent without the tilt... then please tell me when IS it useful?  cruising at FL380?

Typo on my part, sorry.  That should have read "I don't see why you WOULD be asking..." because you don't need to tilt up while on the runway.  The precip is falling into your radar beam.  No need to look up.  The sim radar will work just fine on rotation and climb.  It'll be ok on descent too for lower weather, once you get within about 10k feet of the precip core of a storm (give or take, depending on your distance from it.). It'll be fine in cruise too, for wx reaching your altitude.  There's only the one specific case where it would struggle, where you couldn't force it to look down well below you before a descent at weather that is still pretty low-topped but intensifying rapidly.  But that's not an everyday case, and probably not represented well in the sim anyway so the radar depiction of it doesn't really matter.

I've never seen much point in obsessing over the details of simulated radar, when the simulated weather itself isn't realistic.  What's the point of having an accurately working radar, when the weather it will depict wouldn't create a realistic radar return? 

Convection is very complex.  NOAA uses literal supercomputers to model it - imprecisely.  Your desktop game is never going to create convection accurately.  But people seem to want to play the "stay out of the red" game, and so sure, the asobo radar is fine for that.  In most cases, it will resemble what you'd see on an auto tilt/gain modern system.  The shapes and behavior of the weather just won't be correct, because they'll never be correct on a desktop.

I might actually purchase this aircraft finally, lol. Love they are adding the ability to use the LIDO charts.

yawn

Love Fenix, will buy just to show support, but im so burned out on airbus

6 hours ago, Stearmandriver said:

I've never seen much point in obsessing over the details of simulated radar, when the simulated weather itself isn't realistic.  What's the point of having an accurately working radar, when the weather it will depict wouldn't create a realistic radar return? 

 

I had to dig into some of my docs.  Airbus recommends the following (manual) tilt adjustments:

- Takeoff: 4° UP
- Climb: negative tilt to keep ground returns on top of ND
- Cruise: the following settings to keep ground returns on top of ND ...

Range 320: 1 DN

Range 160: 1.5 DN
Range 80: 3.5 DN
Range 40: 6 DN- Descent:

Above FL150 - Every 10 000 ft: Adjust tilt upward to maintain ground returns on top of ND (~ +1°/10.000 ft)


Below FL150 - Every 5 000 ft: Adjust tilt upward to maintain ground returns on top of ND (~ +1°/5.000 ft)
- Approach: 4° UP

 

Of course, as always, your company's SOPs have priority over anything else.
While company SOP's are important, be aware they may not always be in accordance with the aircraft manufacturer's recommendations. SOP's are often based upon the personal opinion of whoever is running the train-set.

 

Now, I'm not "obsessing" over the simulated radar. On the contrary! 

If it can't tilt or gain, and as you say (and I totally agree) it won't depict realistic return due to a broken Wx simulation to begin with.... Then it does little other than drawing colour blobs of no practical significance - which was the point I was trying to make originally....

24 minutes ago, ha5mvo said:

I had to dig into some of my docs.  Airbus recommends the following (manual) tilt adjustments:

- Takeoff: 4° UP
- Climb: negative tilt to keep ground returns on top of ND
- Cruise: the following settings to keep ground returns on top of ND ...

Range 320: 1 DN

Range 160: 1.5 DN
Range 80: 3.5 DN
Range 40: 6 DN- Descent:

Above FL150 - Every 10 000 ft: Adjust tilt upward to maintain ground returns on top of ND (~ +1°/10.000 ft)


Below FL150 - Every 5 000 ft: Adjust tilt upward to maintain ground returns on top of ND (~ +1°/5.000 ft)
- Approach: 4° UP

 

Of course, as always, your company's SOPs have priority over anything else.
While company SOP's are important, be aware they may not always be in accordance with the aircraft manufacturer's recommendations. SOP's are often based upon the personal opinion of whoever is running the train-set.

 

Now, I'm not "obsessing" over the simulated radar. On the contrary! 

If it can't tilt or gain, and as you say (and I totally agree) it won't depict realistic return due to a broken Wx simulation to begin with.... Then it does little other than drawing colour blobs of no practical significance - which was the point I was trying to make originally....

Well, this is a video game, there's no "practical significance" to anything here, right?  But it certainly will allow you to stay out of the heavier rain which would potentially indicate convection if it really existed in the sim... So from a simulation standpoint, I can see the point. 

Those recommended tilt settings are cute.  They're also dependent on both the radar internals being calibrated correctly, and the dish being mounted with exactly zero angular error.  Neither thing will ever be true.  So you can throw them right out the window. 

There are real world, simple techniques to manage tilt if you have to, that don't involve arbitrary numbers since they're not useful in reality.  As far as the sim radar, just pretend your airline isn't a ratty low cost carrier and has actually sprung for a modern system with automation, and it'll do just fine.  😉

@Aamir if you are monitoring this thread, based on this update from Fenix, I am wondering if all traces of ProSim code will be removed from all versions of the Fenix code (CEO, NEO, Sharklets, IAE, etc) when it's finally released.  I am just curious, because removing all traces of ProSim code is a huge undertaking and refactoring (but maybe a necessary one). Thanks in advance if you reply to this!

1 hour ago, abrams_tank said:

@Aamir if you are monitoring this thread, based on this update from Fenix, I am wondering if all traces of ProSim code will be removed from all versions of the Fenix code (CEO, NEO, Sharklets, IAE, etc) when it's finally released.  I am just curious, because removing all traces of ProSim code is a huge undertaking and refactoring (but maybe a necessary one). Thanks in advance if you reply to this!

I seem to remember Aamir saying a while back that a lot of Prosim code had been replaced. Maybe that's an on-going thing with the ceo's.

7 hours ago, lagos_flyer said:

yawn

I think you need to get a little sleep…

All killer no filler, compared to the "other guys".

Quote:

MSFS 2024 customers - this update brings us the first official compatibility patch. We have now rebuilt the project for 2024, harnessing the new Modular SimObject system and converting our library of over 700 liveries, too. Further, we've included full walk-around mode support, including new external panels you'll want to see and play with. All fully functional and hooked up to the systems. If you'd like to swing the gear doors open, feel free to walk over - unlatch the panel, and yoink the lever. Or if you want to open the cargo doors, you can do that yourself in walkaround mode now too.

Anything Fenix makes is a day one purchase for me.  Their current planes make up 95% of my flying on the sim and are just about as close to perfection as possible.