41 minutes ago, mjrhealth said:

I suspect the free for all will get shutdown "AGAIN". when will the children stop fighting. Its about XPLANE improvements not you.

The usual idiots arguing again. 

2 hours ago, efis007 said:

You and all the others who criticized me, can you please show me where I wrote something rude or offensive in this topic about 12.2?
Did I write that 12.2 is ugly and I don't like it?
No.
Did I write words similar to "it's ugly" "it sucks", "it's terrible"?
No.

Sure, let me explain it to you.

Let's take your first post in this topic as an example: in that, you simply posted a screenshot of an alleged bug affecting the clouds, without writing a single word in the whole post. Other forum users will likely interpret a post like that as featuring a typical passive-aggressive tone. @GoranM showed you an example of how you should have worded your post, in order to have a more positive reaction from other users. But even simpler, it was sufficient for you to write something like:

"I'm getting this issue with clouds in XP12.2 Beta. I already reported it as a bug. The day/weather conditions were such and such. Is any of you encountering a similar issue? Thanks".

I myself would have probably replied to a post like that, whereas I perceived your wordless post just as a passive aggressive post not worthy of any reaction.

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But apart from specific posts, if you participate in a forum and you only write posts complaining and criticizing the product, even if you are 100% in good faith, and even if you are 100% correct in your arguments, you aren't gonna get a positive reaction because your attitude will be (rightly or wrongly) perceived as hostile and troll-like.

Hopefully you will make good use of these advices.

Edited April 5, 20251 yr by Murmur

Yea, I am not a moderator, but can we please NOT continue this? I'd love for this thread to remain open to discuss the 12.2 beta... Pretty please? 

14 minutes ago, Murmur said:

Sure, let me explain it to you.

Let's take your first post in this topic as an example: in that, you simply posted a screenshot of an alleged bug affecting the clouds, without writing a single word in the whole post. Other forum users will likely interpret a post like that as featuring a typical passive-aggressive tone.

You just confirmed that you "fans" have the habit of seeing rottenness where it doesn't exist.
Even on the ORG forum (link below) there are users who have published buggy clouds without saying a word, and this attitude has no bearing on the fact that those users are looking for a fight or want to denigrate XP.

h_ttps://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/329171-xp1220b1-is-available/&page=2

The fact that those users show photos without commenting on them is to allow other more experienced users to give suggestions based on the strange photos they see.
For example, if I see a photo of an anomalous cloud, the first thing I do is start my XP12.2 and check if I have them too, trying dozens and dozens of various situations in order to fully investigate the problem.
If I never see strange clouds I ask the user if he had some plugin enabled that controls the clouds (which could interfere with a new release).
I did the exact same thing.
I showed pixelated clouds without commenting because I don't know the origin of the problem, and since I don't know it, it's silly for me to start making useless comments.
What I expected is that someone had perhaps also had that problem, had solved it, and could give me directions for the correction.
No one helped me instead.
Maybe because no one has ever had that problem.
Maybe because I'm unpleasant to the "fans", and the last thing they would do is help a Troll who reports the photo of a possible bug.
Obviously, Goran's suggestions were taken into consideration by me, the bug was reported, just as I had already reported the same bug that I also had in 12.1.
There are no official answers at the moment, but thanks to "Holy Google" I may have found a possible solution to my pixelated clouds (link below).
I'll check it out.

h_ttps://forums.x-plane.org/index.php?/forums/topic/306408-pixellated-clouds-x-plane-1210/

On 4/3/2025 at 2:33 PM, TadeuPrimo said:

Tested in VR, didn't like it much. 

A little heavy in FPS. 

And I had a crash transitioning from 2D to VR on descent.

Not impressed either. 

Performance is still not up to par. Lots of horrendous shimmering in VR. There are some VR bugs with reflections and clouds not rendering the same picture.  

5 hours ago, efis007 said:

So if you've never seen something, what are you waiting for to ask that user to tell you how to see it?
Do you want to see if the problem of overexposure of the camera exists?
You don't need my Log to see it!
What you have to do is simply ask me for the information to reproduce the event in photos and verify it.
And here they are, there's nothing secret:
-Airplane: A330 default
-Airport of the photo: ZUCK default (China), runway 20R
-Weather: Manual default, second preset "few clouds".
-Global scenario: all default.
-Addon: no addon (Note: I changed the art controls only after taking the photos, that is, after verifying that the problem of the overexposed camera still existed).

Now you have all the information you need to reproduce the experiment yourself.
Take that plane, get on that runway, move the camera as in the photo and you will see with your own eyes that the problem of camera overexposure still exists and is particularly annoying in specific cases like the one shown in the photo.

Having said that, what you "fans" are grumbling about me is completely insignificant to me.
Since I know that this forum is observed by MAYA2, I showed those photos so that MAYA2 could discuss that issue with me, and only with me since I am the one who asked HIM the specific question "Why don't you make that effect optional instead of default"?
I would like to hear the answer to this harmless and simple question from Maya2.
Because I trust him blindly! 
Unlike you "fans" who, instead, for 2 years the only thing you have been able to do "well" was criticize me and him.

If you don't like me using the Avsim forum to publicly chat with an old adventure friend, that's your problem.
Leave me alone and stop always intervening on everything I post.

 No log, no fix. 
It’s obvious you don’t want to show your log file, and that tells me enough. I’ve offered to help resolve your problem with one request, and you refuse to oblige. 
you keep complaining in these forums, knowing full well that these forums are not a support channel for laminar. 
Also, trying to monopolize Maya’s time, without even tagging him in your original post, is extremely inappropriate. There’s a right way to go through support. You’re not more important than every other customer of Laminar. And every other customer sends in bug reports through the Laminar support page. 
conclusion?  You’re trolling. 

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by GoranM

6 hours ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

That's all well and good, but questioning if he is trolling? This based on him finding an issue with a beta release that you didn't see, a bit over the top. System specs aren't affecting his view. I have a state of the art setup with no 3D panel and I see the issue with the clouds.

I’ve given a reason for why I think he’s trolling. I’ve offered to help him with his issue, by asking for a log file. He refuses to send it.  He has labelled us, “fan boys”. 
if you can see this issue, I’m more than happy to see it for myself. Outline the steps to reproduce this, and I’ll take a look. 

2 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

The usual idiots arguing again. 

Quite the productive post. 🙂

We're trying to figure out what efis' problem is, and why he's getting grainy clouds.  At least one other person claims to have seen it.  Giving him the benefit of the doubt, we all acknowledge it happens. None of us knows how to reproduce it.  We've asked how to reproduce it.  No one has given the steps.  I have X-Plane 12.2 open right now.  I've cycled the time by pressing the K and L keys.  Not once have I seen grainy clouds. Unless someone provides the steps to reproduce this, it appears, for now, efis is using an older version of X-Plane 12.  Leading me to believe that is why he won't show me his log file, and why he won't outline the steps to reproduce the problem he's seeing.  If it IS the 12.2 beta, for all I know, it could be plugin related, graphics card related, system related, anything.  For now, I am unable to reproduce the problem.  And this is me taking the time out on a Sunday to try to figure this out for him.  And I don't even work for Laminar.

Let's establish one thing from the outset.  The one who is actually fighting is the one trying to trigger a negative response in the thread, leading to a lock of the thread.

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by GoranM

So.... I just completed a flight into Yakutsk, Russia where there was some gnarly weather on approach... The clouds were SPECTACULAR. Don't mind the FPS counter - I cranked up all the settings to High for screenshots while using Map Enhancement etc on a RTX 2060 6 GB which I normally run Medium settings if i am not doing screenshots, but even in Medium it looked fantastic. Just wanted to share several with you! I am pretty stoked about the weather and clouds portrayal in 12.2 - it's an absolute feast for the eyes. This is live weather and you can see on approach there is even snow accumulation going on. 

 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/GLZZLMYW1PAfYyiU7

 

This is one of the ones I really enjoyed. There is a darker cloud layer ABOVE, so I am flying between two pretty dense layers on approach. 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/8KT3YmGd6U7U5EVx5

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by BostonJeremy77

2 hours ago, GoranM said:

I’ve given a reason for why I think he’s trolling. I’ve offered to help him with his issue, by asking for a log file. He refuses to send it.  He has labelled us, “fan boys”. 
if you can see this issue, I’m more than happy to see it for myself. Outline the steps to reproduce this, and I’ll take a look. 

Flown on release day in Chicago, unfortunately the update to 12.2 cut off my mic and I didn't notice. Just flying around in inclement weather produces the issue. I know you can't hear my audio but you may be able to make out what is being pointed out while flying about.

Most of this flight was nice, but there are instances where small black boxes appear, disappear and give the look of shimmering. Noticed at 5:38, 6:01, 8:20, 9:17 and 17:53 to name a few that I spotted. May be hard to see using the wide angle lens on the camera.

I run my setup as follows in regards to plugins. AEP, Air Manager, AutoDGS, AVITab, Better Pushback, FDStoXP - my hardware/software interface, Traffic Global, X-ATC Chatter, XP-Realistic and X-RAAS2. As far as custom scenery, I have Extended Lights, Sim-Haven and Ortho.

Note: reshade is turned off and flywithlua has been removed.

My log file.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1l5W7YqW6RJyWEtDAeKjYvpz2sQK5fbMA/view?usp=sharing

 

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

Hi,

Looks like the clouds effected are the clouds in the distance and it may have something to do with looking at those clouds through ones that are closer and transparent. 

4 hours ago, Ianrivaldosmith said:

The usual idiots arguing again. 

The King of word not allowed Island has returned!! I was worried for a while there...

 

3 hours ago, efis007 said:

unpleasant

No, just slanderous. Immature. Unscientific. 

22 minutes ago, Mike_CFII_MEL said:

Most of this flight was nice, but there are instances where small black boxes appear, disappear and give the look of shimmering. Noticed at 5:38, 6:01, 8:20, 9:17 and 17:53 to name a few that I spotted. May be hard to see using the wide angle lens on the camera.

I have a few things to say about this.

The first thing I noticed is you have outdated graphics drivers.  572.83 was released 3 weeks ago.  You're on  572.70.  This may seem trivial, but it has resolved many issues in the past with other people. 

Secondly, I watched the video at the time stamps you specified.  I saw no black "boxes" appearing and disappearing.  I saw, what I interpret as harsh black shadows, that may have been caused by, as you say, clouds in the distance combined with clouds that are closer and causing some kind of weird shadow effect.  

My suggestion to you, however, is to have a 2nd installation of X-Plane, with no plugins, no add ons, no network setup and no scenery.  A bare vanilla install of X-Plane for testing purposes.  It will take a couple of GB's on your hard drive, but it is an invaluable way of troubleshooting.  This is not something I'm ONLY suggesting to you.  All developers suggest people who use X-Plane, keep a bare minimum vanilla install of X-Plane, so they can test an add on they have an issue with.  

However, this is a completely separate issue to efis, who is complaining about grainy clouds.  Something that is isolated to his PC.  And for whatever reason, he refuses to file a bug report, and he refuses to send me his log file.  Under normal circumstances, any other developer, and Laminar, would simply state the issue closed due to failure in providing a log file.

By the way.  That's an extremely impressive setup.  Now I understand why you're so annoyed by the buggy network problems you're experiencing.  

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by GoranM

25 minutes ago, GoranM said:

I have a few things to say about this.

The first thing I noticed is you have outdated graphics drivers.  572.83 was released 3 weeks ago.  You're on  572.70.  This may seem trivial, but it has resolved many issues in the past with other people. 

Secondly, I watched the video at the time stamps you specified.  I saw no black "boxes" appearing and disappearing.  I saw, what I interpret as harsh black shadows, that may have been caused by, as you say, clouds in the distance combined with clouds that are closer and causing some kind of weird shadow effect.  

My suggestion to you, however, is to have a 2nd installation of X-Plane, with no plugins, no add ons, no network setup and no scenery.  A bare vanilla install of X-Plane for testing purposes.  It will take a couple of GB's on your hard drive, but it is an invaluable way of troubleshooting.  This is not something I'm ONLY suggesting to you.  All developers suggest people who use X-Plane, keep a bare minimum vanilla install of X-Plane, so they can test an add on they have an issue with.  

However, this is a completely separate issue to efis, who is complaining about grainy clouds.  Something that is isolated to his PC.  And for whatever reason, he refuses to file a bug report, and he refuses to send me his log file.  Under normal circumstances, any other developer, and Laminar, would simply state the issue closed due to failure in providing a log file.

By the way.  That's an extremely impressive setup.  Now I understand why you're so annoyed by the buggy network problems you're experiencing.  

Hi,

This photo will give a better view of the box effect. I also run X-Plane 12 with full sliders right, only things not selected are the boxes for boats, parked aircraft and 3D veg. 

You'll also note the strange mountain looking clouds as well.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/17gyJDASDAMDy0om1-ZQNGLmZ7pd8W35X/view?usp=sharing

Edited April 6, 20251 yr by Mike_CFII_MEL

Here is an interesting observation. Do you guys think I should report this to LR? 

Take a look at the top of the clouds at cruise of FL360. There is definitely some kind of a flat "cut off" that's happening. Has anyone seen this? 

https://photos.app.goo.gl/ZCZnMPN899isGYEaA