2 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Bottom line MSFS2020 is the most used sim of this survey not 2024 get over it folks.

Yes, in this case the data is clear. Also coupled with Steam usage show a trend.

4 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said:

Bottom line MSFS2020 us the most used sim of this survey not 2024 get over it folks. Maybe next year it will change.

That's stating the obvious. Those of us using 2024 without blocking issues don't consider 2020 the enemy, it is still a great sim. Just because 2024 is not as good an experience for others doesn't take away from ours. There is nothing to "get over" 🙂 It's great to have choices, including using both still, which is what I do.

 

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by lwt1971

3 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

That's just it, we ultimately don't have numbers on how many people play MSFS.  Could 23k people be a decent sample size?  Possibly, but we don't know the size of the entire population.  

I forget the exact number, but Jorg said last year the user bases were in the 10s of millions. That includes people who access the sim via Gamepass, of course.

Also, I think Jorg working hard to make the base airplanes better was to drive Gamepass adoption, and maybe an uptick in Gamepass subs.

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by BrammyH

Folk have short memories where 2020 is concerned. Have you all forgotten the utter shambles created by SU5, where they caused a total disaster for a lot of devs, as they then announced MSFS2020 was going to include the XBox console, lots of devs had to start again, after that classic failure, the sim was not usable for days. Short memories guys.

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I forget the exact number, but Jorg said last year the user bases were in the 10s of millions. That includes people who access the sim via Gamepass, of course.

The vast, vast majority of whom have never heard of Navigraph (or Avsim) 

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by St Mawgan

1 minute ago, Simselli said:

Folk have short memories where 2020 is concerned. Have you all forgotten the utter shambles created by SU5, where they caused a total disaster for a lot of devs, as they then announced MSFS2020 was going to include the XBox console, lots of devs had to start again, after that classic failure, the sim was not usable for days. Short memories guys.

Speaking for myself, it's the opposite, I remember all of this and had high hopes they would have learned from mistakes and released something more polished the second time around...  Sadly that was not the case.  

12 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

 

Yes and no. For Jorg, a customer is a customer. I'm not sure if the Navigraph data even has an option for Gamepass users. Those folks haven't bought either version.

I didn't expect this data to be much different. If anyone seriously thought 4 months after release -- even if the release was a flawless gem of beauty -- the numbers would be reversed, I'd like to sample their pharmaceutical of choice.

Absolutely not unless they have also collected revenue from them 2x. 

Otherwise one is a legacy customer who has not been retained and converted to new revenue.   

There is a huge difference in revenue if you don't get your old customers to pivot to your new platform vs them paying again and you having two revenue events from the same customer.. 

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk

1 minute ago, psolk said:

Speaking for myself, it's the opposite, I remember all of this and had high hopes they would have learned from mistakes and released something more polished the second time around...  Sadly that was not the case.  

True, and i agree. Just thought i would point out MSFS2020, was not always sweetness and light.

Just now, Simselli said:

True, and i agree. Just thought i would point out MSFS2020, was not always sweetness and light.

And still isn't 😉  There are still lots of things wrong in 2020 too LOL  We are equal opportunity critics here 🙂

In the interest of full disclosure I forget which way I voted. I may have chosen 2024. That said, with the state of the SU2 beta, coupled with the next Fenix 2024 update being a day of reckoning of liveries, I've gone back to 2020 for a bit until all that smoothes out.

I don't think many people caught the line in Aamir's post about how they had to rework all 170+ liveries to make them 2024 versions. 

I have to accept the survey results OFC, but I also have to say I was kind of disappointed by the classification FS 2024 got compared to FS 2020, specially because and although it is not my only flight simulator, I still find it's potential and actual performance overall superior to that of FS 2020.

17 minutes ago, psolk said:

If it wasn't a split they wouldn't be separate options in the survey...  They are two different titles right now actively competing with each other.  

It is NOT the same program or I wouldn't have had to buy it again, install it again and configure it again LOL!  

LOL?   That wasn't cool

In a year this will all be moot.

2 minutes ago, psolk said:

Absolutely not unless they have also collected revenue from them 2x.

This survey doesn't report out on people who bought 2024 but still fly in 2020 most often. So someone who owns both sims could still check off 2024.

The choice if I recall was an "either or".

2 minutes ago, Simselli said:

True, and i agree. Just thought i would point out MSFS2020, was not always sweetness and light.

Lets get this straight MS2020 was a joke for first 2 years until they MS/Asobo got things sorted and they should of learned from that. No excuse for MS2024 to be in the shape when it released last November.

4 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

This survey doesn't report out on people who bought 2024 but still fly in 2020 most often. So someone who owns both sims could still check off 2024.

The choice if I recall was an "either or".

True but the only way Jorg sees  "a customer as a customer" as you said is if they have bought both platforms, otherwise one is a legacy customer with no revenue potential they already got their money out of them while the other is still very much a "potential" customer or target for additional revenue which is after all the end goal for them as a business. 

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk