April 16, 20251 yr Seems to support what a lot of us believed and have been saying... Guess this is the new standard over "Steam Numbers" alone which some always argued wasn't representative however it was very much showing the same trends. In "my opinion" these numbers are the most definitive indicator of the lack of Execution from Asobo... Had they succesfully delivered 2024 in the state people were expecting there is NO WAY 2020 holds on like this. It's purely 24 dropping the ball when it was theirs for the taking. Undeniable based on the numbers. 2:1 to 2020... Poor P3D 😞 XP also on the rise... https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2024?utm_source=discord&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=survey-2024 MSFS Remains King of the Hill The November launch of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 didn’t automatically sway the entire worldwide pool of simulator pilots. In fact, 52% of respondents reported still using the older Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 as their go-to simulator, making it the most popular choice above all competition. Its sequel, MSFS 2024, follows at 24.9%—reflecting a still impressive migration of users from the previous iteration. In comparison, the 2023 survey showed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 at 70.8%, highlighting the shift as users transition to the new version. We expect that number to continue to rise. Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
April 16, 20251 yr I'm actually surprised 23,000 people took the survey. I was expecting that number to be lower. But I'm happy to see it nonetheless 5800X3D, 4090FE, 64GB DDR4 3600C16, Gigabyte X570S MB, EVO 970 M.2's, Alienware 3821DW and 2 22" monitors, Corsair RM1000x PSU, 360MM MSI MEG, MFG Crosswind, T16000M Stick, Boeing TCA Yoke/Throttle, Skalarki MCDU and FCU, Logitech Radio Panel/Switch Panel, Spad.Next
April 16, 20251 yr Author Just now, micstatic said: I'm actually surprised 23,000 people took the survey. I was expecting that number to be lower. But I'm happy to see it nonetheless Same, it was quite long but this is the first year ever I contributed... Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
April 16, 20251 yr Cross posting this from another thread since it's more relevant here. That's about what I would have figured, honestly. Until more planes get ported over 2020 is going to rule for a lot of people. If you fly the PMDG 737 the most, you are going to be in 2020 for a long while. I think next year's survey is going to show a sharp increase in 2024. EDIT: People are going to look at this as some indictment on 2024 which I don't think is accurate. There is going to be a long migration pattern for 3rd party airplanes. I think this survey is indicative of the customer base who invest in adding for their hobby. EDIT2: They've made the raw data available. I might feed it into my BI tool and take a look. Edited April 16, 20251 yr by BrammyH
April 16, 20251 yr Author 2 minutes ago, BrammyH said: Cross posting this from another thread since it's more relevant here. That's about what I would have figured, honestly. Until more planes get ported over 2020 is going to rule for a lot of people. If you fly the PMDG 737 the most, you are going to be in 2020 for a long while. I think next year's survey is going to show a sharp increase in 2024. EDIT: People are going to look at this as some indictment on 2024 which I don't think is accurate. There is going to be a long migration pattern for 3rd party airplanes. I think this survey is indicative of the customer base who invest in adding for their hobby. I respectfully disagree. Had '24 delivered on everything it promised including Marketplace, backwards compatibility etc etc there is no way 2020 holds on like this. I "personally" think this is a direct reflection of a lack of execution as I said above. I DO agree I think we will see a sharp swing NEXT year however, completely agree but I do think it is a direct reflection of what has been delivered at release and to date... Just my .02, not worth a penny... Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
April 16, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, psolk said: Had '24 delivered on everything it promised including Marketplace, backwards compatibility etc etc there is no way 2020 holds on like this. I'm not sure. At least in the case of PMDG737, which has a huge market share. Let's assume that SU1 is what should have released back in November. PMDG have said they aren't going to do a "it just works" fix for the 737. Also, from 2020 the 737 reacts poorly to some SU (see, SU15 and authentication issues). That said, yes, I do think the bad launch was a huge factor. However, this survey skews towards the airliner folks and those the ones more likely to have migration issues. When Jorg said "virtually all add ons will work", I figured the high fidelity airliners were the more likely to fall outside that.
April 16, 20251 yr 3 minutes ago, psolk said: I respectfully disagree. Had '24 delivered on everything it promised including Marketplace, backwards compatibility etc etc there is no way 2020 holds on like this. I "personally" think this is a direct reflection of a lack of execution as I said above. I DO agree I think we will see a sharp swing NEXT year however, completely agree but I do think it is a direct reflection of what has been delivered at release and to date... Just my .02, not worth a penny... What, you didn’t like the carefully edited promotional videos showing how great FS24 was? I wonder how many takes they needed while it was probably crashing left and right. 7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 96GB DDR5 | 4K G-Sync | Win11 Pro
April 16, 20251 yr 29 minutes ago, psolk said: MSFS Remains King of the Hill The November launch of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 didn’t automatically sway the entire worldwide pool of simulator pilots. In fact, 52% of respondents reported still using the older Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 as their go-to simulator, making it the most popular choice above all competition. Its sequel, MSFS 2024, follows at 24.9%—reflecting a still impressive migration of users from the previous iteration. In comparison, the 2023 survey showed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 at 70.8%, highlighting the shift as users transition to the new version. We expect that number to continue to rise. A total of 77% for MSFS. That's an increase from 70.8% from the last Navigraph survey. So MSFS is still gaining market share. Also, the 2:1 ration of MSFS 2020 to MSFS 2024 users is pretty consistent with Steam DB. I think Steam DB is decent at giving us a snapshot of the PC market, before the Navigraph survey is out. Of course, Steam DB cannot account for XBox users, and the total market for flight simulation should be including the XBox users as well, especially since many 3rd party developers in the MSFS market earn decent revenue from the XBox users as well. Edited April 16, 20251 yr by abrams_tank i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
April 16, 20251 yr Author 6 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: A total of 77% for MSFS. I think that's even higher than last year? That's not necessarily a good thing... They added 2024 and gained 6 points of market share over not doing anything... NOT a good ROI when your previous generation is more than half the market share and double your latest release. Think of the Dev expense to gain 6 points of Market Share Those are all failed metrics. Quote In comparison, the 2023 survey showed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 at 70.8% Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
April 16, 20251 yr 9 minutes ago, abrams_tank said: A total of 77% for MSFS. I think that's even higher than last year? Yup 70.8% last year (2020) and this year 76.9% (2020+2024). Not unexpected results at all. 2024 obviously is the future for the MSFS platform and once the remaining major issues are fixed, and more importantly once all the major high fidelity add-ons are available natively for it, then the split between 2020 and 2024 will go in the expected direction. And with the likes of PMDG transitioning to 2024 only for new products I'd expect that split to accelerate. But 2020, what a platform it has been all these years, and still is. And 2024's adoption given it is 5 months old and had the botched launch, is not doing bad at all. Edited April 16, 20251 yr by lwt1971 Len 1980s: Sublogic FS II on C64 ---> 1990s: Flight Unlimited I/II, MSFS 95/98 ---> 2000s/2010s: FS/X, P3D, XP ---> 2020+: MSFS Current system: i9 13900K, RTX 4090, 64GB DDR5 4800 RAM, 4TB NVMe SSD
April 16, 20251 yr I hope that IniBuilds take note of the results of this survey, and decide to release EGKK Gatwick for both versions of MSFS. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
April 16, 20251 yr 1 minute ago, psolk said: That's not necessarily a good thing... They added 2024 and gained 6 points of market share over not doing anything... NOT a good ROI when your previous generation is more than half the market share and double your latest release. Those are all failed metrics. But it's not bad either, given the terrible launch of MSFS 2024. If you told me after the launch of MSFS 2024 and how bad it went, that MSFS as a total, gained market share, I would take it as a win if I were Jorg. But that's my opinion. Edited April 16, 20251 yr by abrams_tank i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
April 16, 20251 yr Also of interest, is that all the best flight simulation product releases were MSFS related, except for the Winwing hardware release: That's a win for MSFS. i5-12400, RTX 3060 Ti, 32 GB RAM
April 16, 20251 yr Happy but surprised Fenix was voted the top for airlines as I thought for sure PMDG 777 would edge them because that was the first "high Fidelity" long range airliner that has released for MSFS. Not surprised by MS2020 still on top but it could change by the time the next survey is done.
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