Just now, JBDB-MD80 said:

Lets get this straight MS2020 was a joke for first 2 years until they MS/Asobo got things sorted and they should of learned from that. No excuse for MS2024 to be in the shape when it released last November.

And as i said above, i agree.. Twice! 

As a "fan" of 2024, there's nothing wrong with those numbers.  I'm personally a GA only flyer, so most addons work fine in 2024, but many who fly airliners are still waiting on addons.  It isn't surprising people are staying with 2020 for now.  

2024 also has steeper PC specs.  I know my old PC simply didn't run 2024 well.  For anyone with a low to mid range PC, I'd say sticking to 2020 makes perfect sense.  I did not start enjoying 2024 until I upgraded my rig.  

Many people SHOULD stay with 2020.  If 2024 isn't where you need it to be, stop banging your head against the wall and go back to what works for you.  

MS did not pull the plug on 2020 for a reason.  I don't get why people seem to want to throw dirt on 2024.  If you are happy with 2020, be happy!  2024 will take over eventually.  It is only a matter of time.  People will upgrade their PCs over the years and addons will come out or be upgraded.  2020 will be around a long time for people, as it should be.  

8 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

This survey doesn't report out on people who bought 2024 but still fly in 2020 most often. So someone who owns both sims could still check off 2024.

The choice if I recall was an "either or".

I think the question asked “what is your primary flight sim.”  I own MSFS 2024, 2020, XP 11 and 12.  From a financial standpoint Microsoft and Laminar have made the same amount of revenue from me (excluding addons).  We can’t infer market share from this question either, as in my case I use both XPlane and MSFS, but can only select one as the primary.

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by Gilandred

4 minutes ago, psolk said:

revenue potential they already got their money out of them

Well, other than the market place being a huge revenue source for them. Even here we have users who prefer the MP. 
 

That is what j was getting at, and why the MP delay was the one that likely bugged him the most. 

18 minutes ago, BrammyH said:

Well, other than the market place being a huge revenue source for them. Even here we have users who prefer the MP. 
 

That is what j was getting at, and why the MP delay was the one that likely bugged him the most. 

All good dialog! It's proof that it is possible to have a conversation where we don't agree with each other but also don't start calling each other names or being rude either 🙂 

Agreed MP delay is probably one of the larger reasons for the survey results as well.  Goes back to what I said that had they delivered on Day 1 I don't think we are having this conversation. 
Had my add-ons all been in MP, my community add-ons all been vetted for compatibility, devs had early access so they were ready to go day 1 and my controls simply migrated over I know I would have been a day 1 convert.

As it was I became a day 1 pessimist, then an SU1 pessimist, right now an SU2 pessimist and I am willing to bet there are a lot of others who feel very much the same.  I have doubts about 777 stability with the WASM issues around the 350.

Hence my comment about it being theirs for the taking.  If they hit this release out of the park I don't think we are having any of these conversations.  Purely self inflicted damage.  (again, my opinion, not worth the virtual paper it is typed on)

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk

24 minutes ago, Mace said:

LOL?   That wasn't cool

In a year this will all be moot.

Apologies @Mace I sometime use LOL to show I am trying to be lighthearted and not get too serious or be rude and derogatory.

Apologies if it came off wrong.  Forums are much tougher than being able to see the dumb expression on my face all the time 😉  

44 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

La gran mayoría de ellos nunca ha oído hablar de Navigraph (o Avsim). 

They don't even play the game any different than they would with a GTA5 plane.

Those millions are pure marketing, it's people who have tried the game, visited their friend's house because theirs doesn't have PG coverage and have never played the game again.

57 minutes ago, Maxis said:

Thats exactly what did it for me. The Fenix was complete. The 777 needed better sounds so in my eyes was not complete.

some could say that the Fenix needed many updates to be complete and a large part od the users still complain that the flare of the aircraft is still just average. On the contrary, the PMDG 777 was fairly complete and really reliable on day 1, something which is pretty rare those days.

Both add-ons are really nice and I use them both with enjoyment.

3 minutes ago, Aglos77 said:

They don't even play the game any different than they would with a GTA5 plane.

Those millions are pure marketing, it's people who have tried the game, visited their friend's house because theirs doesn't have PG coverage and have never played the game again.

And that information is from which survey? And according to that survey how many MSFS users are to be taken seriously of the millions who use it or have used it?  

4 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

And that information is from which survey? And according to that survey how many MSFS users are to be taken seriously of the millions who use it or have used it?  

3.5 because somehow there is always a half a person in a survey.

 😉  Did I win?

Edited April 16, 20251 yr by psolk

One thing I'm badly missing in this survey is lack of data about graphic resolution people use, 4k vs 1440, for example. 

Love the people in this thread trying their best with the mental gymnastics of downplaying the poor showing of MS2024. Keep trying cause it ain’t working.

3 hours ago, psolk said:

Seems to support what a lot of us believed and have been saying...  Guess this is the new standard over "Steam Numbers" alone which some always argued wasn't representative however it was very much showing the same trends.  In "my opinion" these numbers are the most definitive indicator of the lack of Execution from Asobo...  Had they succesfully delivered 2024 in the state people were expecting there is NO WAY 2020 holds on like this.  It's purely 24 dropping the ball when it was theirs for the taking.   Undeniable based on the numbers.

2:1 to 2020...  Poor P3D 😞  XP also on the rise...

https://navigraph.com/blog/survey-2024?utm_source=discord&utm_medium=community&utm_campaign=survey-2024

MSFS Remains King of the Hill

The November launch of Microsoft Flight Simulator 2024 didn’t automatically sway the entire worldwide pool of simulator pilots. In fact, 52% of respondents reported still using the older Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 as their go-to simulator, making it the most popular choice above all competition. Its sequel, MSFS 2024, follows at 24.9%—reflecting a still impressive migration of users from the previous iteration. In comparison, the 2023 survey showed Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 at 70.8%, highlighting the shift as users transition to the new version. We expect that number to continue to rise.

No surprise at all. 

4 minutes ago, B777ER said:

Love the people in this thread trying their best with the mental gymnastics of downplaying the poor showing of MS2024. Keep trying cause it ain’t working.

Yeah, I guess beating a dead horse is their thing. 😉

25 minutes ago, St Mawgan said:

And that information is from which survey? And according to that survey how many MSFS users are to be taken seriously of the millions who use it or have used it?  

Yeah, and I am sure you are convinced that everyone in the world is using 2024 except the people that took this survey and picked 2020.   LOL....