April 16, 20251 yr Fun with Graphs, Part 1. I don't know how much I am doing to do this, but it's fun. I took a look at how often someone flies in 2024 and compared it against how likely they are to recommend 2024. 10 is most likely and it goes down from there. I'm not really in the mood to pretty it up right now.
April 16, 20251 yr 56 minutes ago, BrammyH said: Is there a way to get the steam data out as a CSV file? I've never tried. No idea, I’m not even on nodding terms with good statistics methodology 😅 Just thought that Steam numbers are only one metric, but if we know roughly how many sessions people are playing for how long each week, that adds a bit more to that number. i910900k, RTX 3090, 32GB DDR4 RAM, AW3423DW, Ruddy girt big mug of Yorkshire Tea
April 16, 20251 yr 9 hours ago, psolk said: I mean that is a very creative spin they will probably try to management but not something that should be a win to anyone and I am sure if that was presented in a meeting as a "win" it would be met with a great deal of pushback... Hmmm...everything can be spun but from Microsoft's point of view the platform (both 20 and 24) that they sell add ons from has gained 10% market share over the course of the year. What's difficult for Jorge to spin to his bosses is that for nearly six months that platform has either not had a working mechanism to make sales or hasn't had much worth actually buying.....
April 17, 20251 yr 15 hours ago, regis9 said: “Airliners rule the skies: In MSFS, 92.2% fly airliners”. lt’s what I spend most of my time doing, but I’m surprised GA isn’t a bigger chunk of that. I fly GA exclusively and I didn't participate in the survey. what if more Airliner gamers have participated than GAers? AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
April 17, 20251 yr 10 minutes ago, turbomax said: I fly GA exclusively and I didn't participate in the survey. what if more Airliner gamers have participated than GAers? What? You have just answered you own question.
April 17, 20251 yr Well, there is no surprise in that: Navigraph users mostly fly airliners. So all the data applies to virtual airliner pilots and not very much to GA pilots.
April 17, 20251 yr 2 hours ago, JBDB-MD80 said: What? You have just answered you own question. "A rhetorical question is a question asked for a purpose other than to obtain information.[1] In many cases it may be intended to start a discourse, as a means of displaying or emphasizing the speaker's or author's opinion on a topic." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rhetorical_question "I fly GA exclusively and I didn't participate in the survey. what if more Airliner gamers have participated than GAers?" Edited April 17, 20251 yr by turbomax AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
April 17, 20251 yr 3 hours ago, turbomax said: I fly GA exclusively and I didn't participate in the survey. what if more Airliner gamers have participated than GAers? Well yeah we already know it's biased survey towards airliner people - since they would be more likely to use navigraph. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
April 17, 20251 yr Yes, of the 97.4 % male, mainly young, mainly American, mainly airline pilot, Navigraph using section of the flight sim population who can be bothered to complete surveys, the following information is probably true ..... (I can only tick one of those boxes) 9950X3D - X870E Aorus Master- TUF 5090 OC - 64GB DDR5 - 1500W HXi - Titan 360 RX LCD - 9100 Pro x 2 - LG 45GX950A - HOTAS Warthog with Ava Base
April 17, 20251 yr I am aware of Navigraph, but I use the free workingtitle flightplanner exclusively. AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
April 17, 20251 yr 33 minutes ago, St Mawgan said: Yes, of the 97.4 % male, mainly young, mainly American, mainly airline pilot, Navigraph using section of the flight sim population who can be bothered to complete surveys, the following information is probably true ..... (I can only tick one of those boxes) It is amazing how you can invent "facts" and post them on this forum, trying to convince others that your made-up "facts" are true.
April 17, 20251 yr 1 hour ago, ryanbatc said: we already know it's biased survey towards airliner people - since they would be more likely to use navigraph. IOW: biased towards Navigraph. AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler. 60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking. very nice.
April 17, 20251 yr Sounds like some hurt feelings were made here by this poll. Its a Navigraph poll so what did you expect? It was done by folks who actually use Navigraph or Not or even cared. You had the option to participate or not and it took me less than 5 mins to complete. BTW you don't even have to use Navi to participate in this poll. Edited April 17, 20251 yr by JBDB-MD80
April 17, 20251 yr 17 minutes ago, JBDB-MD80 said: Sounds like some hurt feelings were made here by this poll. Its a Navigraph poll so what did you expect? It was done by folks who actually use Navigraph or Not or even cared. You had the option to participate or not and it took me less than 5 mins to complete. BTW you don't even have to use Navi to participate in this poll. No ones hurt, but it's important to let people know about survey bias. I think NG isn't very clear on that part. It's basically like medical studies conducted by big pharma lol... The data is still relevant but it's very biased. | My Liveries | FAA ZMP | PPL ASEL | | Windows 11 | MSI Z690 Tomahawk | 12700K 4.7GHz | MSI RTX 4080 | 64GB 6000 MHz DDR5 | 500GB Samsung 860 Evo SSD | 2x 2TB Samsung 970 Evo M.2 | EVGA 850W Gold | Corsair 5000X | HP G2 (VR) / LG 27" 1440p |
April 17, 20251 yr The survey got wide enough press I'd expect some of the bias to smooth out. I forget if you needed a Navigraph account to fill it out. Since the CSV file has a comment where the anonymized the data I think I did. That will also account for straight Simbrief users too. I'd be curious if MS ever posts any data bout this stuff at something like their Expo talk. They've talked usage before but I don't have any details. I do think airliners are over 50%. Looking through even Reddit it seems skewed on airliners.
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