14 minutes ago, Fiorentoni said:

Uhm no, not "every system is different". The ini airliners are largely a copy paste from one to another, especially things like FMC. E.g. the A330 has the same bugs in INIT B page as the A300 does. Your argument - which by the way is purely anectodical evidence and nothing more - also doesn't come across any more reasonable if you call people derogatory names.

I seem to remember that they even admited that they repurpose code. And why wouldn't they? It's the financial most prudent way to do it.

Not to mention that these are all Airbus aircraft and I'm quite sure the real ones also share code.

Problem is when your code is not free of bugs and you copy over the same problems over to the next aircraft without finally getting around to fixing them.

 

 

Edited October 4, 2025Oct 4 by Farlis

20 hours ago, micstatic said:

yeah agree on that.  This plane is a might buy, but still undecided.  So waiting a few months is no big deal for me.  Quite frankly I'm a little airbussed out at the moment. 

Good point. I've been flying the heck out of the Citation X until beta 4 broke it. I don't care for the marketplace because of the way they give out cryptic receipts. I can wait a few months to let them shake out some flees on the A340. Also still enjoying the A350 and my Heli collection.

Edited October 4, 2025Oct 4 by Bigmack

40 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

Citation X until beta 4 broke it.

Try it again. It works after the latest build came out.

8 hours ago, Fiorentoni said:

The A330 still has WASM crashes, the A350 had lots and lots of WASM crashes (and still has some), it's fair to assume the A340 will have those too for many users. They likely just copy&pasted systems from the A350 and A330 (how else are they releasing another airliner 6 months after the A350?), so it will at least have the amount of WASM crashes those two still have, possibly more.

I rarely have WASM crashes in either of those planes. I’ve only had 3 in the A350 since launch. And I’ve done I think around 50 flights now. The rate of crashing seems to vary greatly between users.

I’ve had more in the A330 (maybe 5 or 6?) then I have the A350. And those only started happening for me after SU2

Id really like to see some sort of after action report. Why is it some users get WASM crashes constantly in the A350, but some either have had none or only a couple?

 

LondonController did a 14 hour flight in the A340 with no crashes.

Edited October 4, 2025Oct 4 by Tuskin38

2 hours ago, Tuskin38 said:

I rarely have WASM crashes in either of those planes. I’ve only had 3 in the A350 since launch. And I’ve done I think around 50 flights now. The rate of crashing seems to vary greatly between users.

I’ve had more in the A330 (maybe 5 or 6?) then I have the A350. And those only started happening for me after SU2

Id really like to see some sort of after action report. Why is it some users get WASM crashes constantly in the A350, but some either have had none or only a couple?

 

LondonController did a 14 hour flight in the A340 with no crashes.

The answer is rather easy: WASM crashes are simply code that breaks under certain circumstances, so coding errors or oversights if you will. Of course if they happen in the main functions people use (e.g. direct-tos) they get noticed very early during development. If, however, you are a pilot that uses all functions of the FMC (e.g. setting the zulu time for your airports in the A350, or using the closest airport page), you are much more likely to run into a situation that causes an WASM crash.
I'm of that kind of pilots, so naturally I've run into more of these (e.g. I remember at least 4 WASM crashes in the A330 and A350 while using the closest airport page and adding/removing an airport; that's why I avoid that page now on the A330 at least). Others might only be using the bare minimum of the FMC that you need to complete a flight from A to B, and they might never run into such an issue.

EDIT: Of course for the A350 at least over time those WASM crashes get fixed more and more, so the occurrence of WASM crashes decreases. Fortunately.

Edited October 4, 2025Oct 4 by Fiorentoni

9 hours ago, Krakin said:

Try it again. It works after the latest build came out.

Tried it again yesterday, still have dark screens. You have a way to make it work?

1 hour ago, Bigmack said:

Tried it again yesterday, still have dark screens. You have a way to make it work?

All I did was download it.

Only 4 engine I want is the pmdg 744...

4 hours ago, Krakin said:

All I did was download it.

Tried that 3 times now. Still have dark screens.

6 minutes ago, Bigmack said:

Tried that 3 times now. Still have dark screens.

I suspect he's downloading the 2020 version which supposedly works in SU4. See this post: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/flightfx-citation-x/730826/389?u=unic0m

18 hours ago, Farlis said:

Problem is when your code is not free of bugs and you copy over the same problems over to the next aircraft without finally getting around to fixing them.

Couldn’t agree more.

I’m not buying another ini aircraft until they prove to me they can get basic systems correct.

 

I’m sure people will disagree, and It’s great the A350 is there for casual flyers, but in my opinion it’s a disgrace that after so long and so many updates there are still elementary, basic level systems that are so full of bugs that have been reported over and over again and they just seem incapable of fixing it, especially given how it was marketed and its price. The moment you pay any attention to the information given on various displays and MCDU pages, you realise so much of it is total gobbledygook.

 

And yet because the streamers are all sponsored by iniBuilds and are good at making content rather than being good at flying the aircraft or understanding even basic systems, they worship them to high heaven, and the hordes just blindly follow and think they can do no wrong.

The mind boggles.

 

 

The problem isn't the market; for me, it's the most convenient thing there is. The problem is Inibugs. Unless there are 360-degree changes, it will be an Alpha product for a very long time. With Toliss/Aerosoft on the horizon, it makes no sense for me to buy this.

7 hours ago, Keirtt said:

I suspect he's downloading the 2020 version which supposedly works in SU4. See this post: https://forums.flightsimulator.com/t/flightfx-citation-x/730826/389?u=unic0m

No, it is most definitely the 2024 version. Funny enough, I just realized I never installed it so I've been streaming it the whole time lol

7 hours ago, abennett said:

And yet because the streamers are all sponsored by iniBuilds and are good at making content rather than being good at flying the aircraft or understanding even basic systems

That’s not true. Some of the streamers are excellent pilots.

Some of them are IRL pilots 

Edited October 5, 2025Oct 5 by Tuskin38

In all honesty, I think this will be a much smoother launch than the A350. If the plane had major issues, it would have been called out by streamers/viewers by now.