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Is SU4 really turning the corner for MSFS 2024?

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I also don't think 2020 is taking much in terms of development resources, especially with the world now harmonized between the two platforms.  I am sure there is some support and effort needed but I am doubtful ending 2020 would result in any meaningful increase in development resources to 2024. I also don't think Microsoft cares very much at all whether you use 2020 or 2024, the value in the attention economy is that you are using a Microsoft platform, what you use on it does not matter all that much. The more people they can keep on their platform in their ecosystem the better and they will not want to alienate people by closing a title prematurely. Obviously ongoing development for 2020 will slow to a crawl-- there is one Sim Update planned for the next year-- and third-party development will largely dry up. And at some point when the numbers are "right" they may discontinue, but there are games I bought nearly a decade ago that still work fine. I moved to 2024 on day one and am happy I did; I would make the same decision again even knowing what I know now. But I completely get that some of us like the stability and functionality of 2020 and do not want to give up addons just to move to 2024. 

MSFS 2024. Primary Planes: Black Square TBM850, Duke, Baron, Caravan; A2A Comanche; FSReborn Phenom; Fexix A321; PMDG 737-7, 777: Utilities: Active Sky (Passive Mode); BATC, FSLTL.

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  • I was very happy with MSFS 2024 from day one. Every Service Update so far has been a cherry on top. I'm expecting SU4 to be the same. 

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    I've had both 2020 and 2024 since their release. Up to last week, I was using 2020 exclusively, with the occasional foray into 2024 to see how it was progressing. For a while, both graphics and perfor

  • I didn’t adopt 24 right away. But it’s been months since I used 2020. I’d like to see all devs go full time 24 so we don’t see their talents diluted between two sims 

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1 minute ago, Cognita said:

But I completely get that some of us like the stability and functionality of 2020 and do not want to give up addons just to move to 2024. 

And 2024 has been as 'stable' as 2020 and all addons work except PMDG 737 here.  All airports, all utilities, etc etc.  One more year of 2020 is amply enough.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

2 minutes ago, Noel said:

And 2024 has been as 'stable' as 2020 and all addons work except PMDG 737 here.  All airports, all utilities, etc etc.  One more year of 2020 is amply enough.

Yea, as we approach the one year anniversary most aircraft have come over to 2024. The 737 will come soon but be a paid upgrade requiring people to fork out more money. The DC6 is another notable absentee. There are a lot of 2020 airports, however, that were never made 2024 native, and while compatible they are not great in 2024, either for looks or performance. 2024 has always been stable and performance friendly for me even before SU1. So, yea, in my mind the benefits of moving to 2024 are clear but I do not feel a need to impose that one everyone; if you are happy with 2020 and it meets your needs then stay with it.

MSFS 2024. Primary Planes: Black Square TBM850, Duke, Baron, Caravan; A2A Comanche; FSReborn Phenom; Fexix A321; PMDG 737-7, 777: Utilities: Active Sky (Passive Mode); BATC, FSLTL.

I have 2024 but have gone back to 2020 due to the FPS Tanking arriving at airports.

 

So until that’s solved, its a no go for me.

18 minutes ago, Cognita said:

Yea, as we approach the one year anniversary most aircraft have come over to 2024. The 737 will come soon but be a paid upgrade requiring people to fork out more money. The DC6 is another notable absentee. There are a lot of 2020 airports, however, that were never made 2024 native, and while compatible they are not great in 2024, either for looks or performance. 2024 has always been stable and performance friendly for me even before SU1. So, yea, in my mind the benefits of moving to 2024 are clear but I do not feel a need to impose that one everyone; if you are happy with 2020 and it meets your needs then stay with it.

100% this ^^^ Not to mention emotion aside let's just talk practical business sense here for a minute (as you already did) and no developer is still selling a title today that they are shutting the servers down on in 12 months. (knowingly or without shutting  their doors)  That's not even a realistic expectation.  They are certainly going to support it for a period of time even AFTER they stop selling the title.  Zero emotion, pure business, if they stop selling it in '26 the servers would expectedly remain up until at least 2028.  2030 would be the 10 yr lifespan they originally projected.

If as an individual someone is done with 2020 that's fine, all the more reason to not care if someone else still chooses to use it or care if MS chooses to leave the servers running.

I assure anyone concerned that no one from the MS Azure Infrastructure team is handling MSFS24 feature development.

I  imagine I will be moving over (entirely) over the next month or two, goal to be completely migrated by the time winter sets in here and I will have zero feelings on the 2020 servers staying up and running when I leave.

 

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16 minutes ago, psolk said:

I assure anyone concerned that no one from the MS Azure Infrastructure team is handling MSFS24 feature development.

Oh yeah, and all of the work and hardware and power costs for keeping 2020 alive is free of charge.  Right.  Unless you're inside MS/Asobo, you don't know squat about who is working on what.  While the same folks might not be working in both domains both cost, of course.

Noel

System:  9900X3D Noctua NH-D15 G2, MSI Pro 650-P WiFi, G.SKILL  64GB (2 x 32GB) 288-Pin PC RAM DDR5 6000, WD NVMe 2Tb x 1, Sabrent NVMe 2Tb x 1, RTX 4090 FE, Corsair RM1000W PSU, Win11 Home, LG Ultra Curved Gsync Ultimate 3440x1440, Phanteks Enthoo Pro Case, TCA Boeing Edition Yoke & TQ, Cessna Trim Wheel, RTSS Framerate Limiter w/ Front Edge Sync.

Aircraft used in MSFS 2024:  Fenix A320,  Aerosoft CRJ, FBW, WT 787X, I-Fly 737 MAX 8, Citation Longitude.

 

27 minutes ago, pan pan pan said:

I have 2024 but have gone back to 2020 due to the FPS Tanking arriving at airports.

 

So until that’s solved, its a no go for me.

You have that issue in SU4 beta?

5800X3D. 32 GB RAM. 1TB SATA SSD. 3TB HDD. RX  9070XT.

2020 is not more stable than 2024.  It just is able to run stuff I prefer to not install on my machine.

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9 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

My credit card keeps whispering to me that it is time to get a new PC

Pretty soon it will start shouting at you 🙂 

Blurry textures can be caused by many things ... but in most (not all) cases the easiest solution is to throw hardware at it and/or increase ISP bandwidth and hope.  The culling of objects is still a problem in SU3 (which beta users reported as being fixed in SU3, clearly was not).  I don't have SU4 so don't know, just don't have time to do Beta builds anymore.  Looks good to me, down to the Basketball court, having lived around this area of SF, looks very accurate.

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Fortunately GPU prices are back to "semi-sane" levels.  

Depending on when you are ready to buy, you might want to wait for the AMD 9950X3D2 (it's real this time) ... this will be a monster of a gaming CPU.

If you can wait even longer (2026), AMD RDNA5 GPU will have 36GB GDDR7 (MSFS 2024 loves VRAM), 154 Compute Units, 384bit bus, and only 384W ... (AMD are aiming to beat nVidia's future RTX 6090 even with ray tracing and claiming 2X better performance than a 5090).  So maybe I can hit 60 FPS with everything dial up to their highest values (I know, only 60 FPS the horror)

I'm am a little BIAS as I do have A LOT of AMD stock and it's doing extremely well right now (fingers crossed). 😉  

 

Edited by SayAgain

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan

I do not suffer from blurry textures in MSFS 2020 at any time with my 2015 specification PC, and an internet bandwidth limited to 95Mbps, so I certainly do not want it in MSFS 2024 (and neither should I accept it). As for the new PC, I already have a graphics card. Not the best by any stretch of the imagination, but considerably more powerful than my current one. That being the case, I would be more than happy with a 9800X3D CPU and a good quality motherboard.

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13 minutes ago, Christopher Low said:

I do not suffer from blurry textures in MSFS 2020 at any time

Same here for me in MSFS 2024 with no blurry texture anywhere any time ... but those having the problem could be a multitude of reasons from hardware, to hardware configuration, to ISP, to RAM, to GPU, to MSFS 2024 graphics settings that are too high for their hardware, to hacks, to add-ons, to trying to make MSFS 2020 products work in MSFS 2024 ... anyway you know the drill. 

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan

5 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

Same here for me in MSFS 2024 with no blurry texture anywhere any time ... but those having the problem could be a multitude of reasons from hardware, to hardware configuration, to ISP, to RAM, to GPU, to MSFS 2024 graphics settings that are too high for their hardware, to hacks, to add-ons, to trying to make MSFS 2020 products work in MSFS 2024 ... anyway you know the drill. 

They definitely seem to have blurries solved if you don't ask too much of the sim or to your point any of the above, both sims really do look great.

Now with that said, WHY they can't display landing gear properly (either sim) is like that piece of food that gets stuck between your teeth and you just can't get rid of no matter what you do... It just wont go away...  Asobo is the only toothpick for this one sadly...  

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Those who don't have problems with blurry ground textures in 2024 are either blind or even worse.

What could be even worse? Piloting a Cessna 152!

I wonder if the blurry ground textures (very evident in VR) are caused by the high res textures vanishing, Seb alluded to not knowing what happened in the last dev stream so hopefully they can revert this regression. I have textures on HIGH yet it's so obvious when gaining altitude how they lose resolution and become "blurry", I see it on flat screen as well.

Pico Neo3 Link VR - Windows 11 64bit, Gigabyte Z590 Aorus Elite Mobo, i7-10700KF CPU, Gigabyte RX 9070 XT OC 16gb (AMD GPU), 32gig Corsair 3600mhz RAM, SSD x2 + M.2 SSD 1tb x1

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1 minute ago, Vitold69 said:

Those who don't have problems with blurry ground textures in 2024 are either blind or even worse.

So you are calling me blind? Seriously, what kind of comment is this? I have never experienced blurry textures. My eyesight is still very good.

 

4 minutes ago, Vitold69 said:

What could be even worse? Piloting a Cessna 152!

I don't get this either. Flying the C152 is absolutely fabulous. I love that aircraft 😁

Cheers, Bert

AMD Ryzen 5900X, 32 GB RAM, RTX 3080 Ti, Windows 11 Home 64 bit, MSFS 2024

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