I don't seem to have the LOD problem but I run a 1080p curved gaming screen.

dd

7 hours ago, GCBraun said:

Yep. That's what I did!

One last question, I have the MS2020 version here.. C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS. So, I assume when I install the 2024 version, it creates its own folder structure and does not mix in 2024 files with the current install?

I will install 2024 the  day Chaseplane is supported.  However it does seem that if flying low enough to discern individual blades of grass is not your thing then the overall experience will not be particuarly dramatic compared to 2020.  But over time whether we like it or not more and more stuff will only be released for 2024 so making it a more diificult choice to just stick to 2020 even for tubeliner flyers.

Bruce

What about the stuttering on short final and landing? Is this something that only a handful of users experience? I am also still somewhat concerned about the LOD situation. I certainly would not want it to be any worse than that in MSFS 2020. Then there are the reports of (sometimes) blurry runway textures when landing. Not acceptable at any time as far as I am concerned. Of course, I need to wait for the PMDG 737-600/900 to be released for MSFS 2024. Until that happens, everything else is irrelevant.

7 hours ago, B777ER said:

One last question, I have the MS2020 version here.. C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS. So, I assume when I install the 2024 version, it creates its own folder structure and does not mix in 2024 files with the current install?

Install prog :

C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS

C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS24

Data 2020 & 2024 :

C:\Users\User_Name\Documents\LorbyAxisAndOhs Files

7 hours ago, B777ER said:

One last question, I have the MS2020 version here.. C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS. So, I assume when I install the 2024 version, it creates its own folder structure and does not mix in 2024 files with the current install?

My AAO for MSFS2024 is installed at "C:\Program Files\LorbyAxisAndOhs_MSFS24", so I assume it uses its own folder structure. Do the backup of the AAO 2020's settings before installing 2024 just in case.

4 hours ago, brucewtb said:

However it does seem that if flying low enough to discern individual blades of grass is not your thing then the overall experience will not be particuarly dramatic compared to 2020. 

I would disagree a bit.  When I first tried 2024, I was fully expecting that I was trying it as a novelty, and any improvements would be purely visual.  That, however, is definitely not the case.  There are significant differences in certain aspects of aerodynamics.  Or, well, physics in general.  The most notable to me are crosswind effect, ground effect, and ground handling.  Performing crosswind landings in the same plane in 2020 and 2024 (I've primarily tested the CAS J-3 and the iFly Max to cover both ends of the spectrum) yield very different behavior, and it's much better in 2024.  And once you're on the ground, you aren't skating around on ice.

I also tested the Blackbird Porter, which is relevant because there IS no 2024 native version of that aircraft.  I literally copied the folder from my 2020 community folder and dropped it in the 2024 community folder.  It's the very same files, but the aircraft handles significantly differently (for the better) in 2024.  So I really think there are some fundamental physics differences in the two sims.

The stuttering problem is interesting, because it's not consistent.  I can run 2024 at 60fps with FSR3 frame gen turned on and get an entirely fluid experience.  My friend's sim turns into a slideshow during takeoff and landing, with the same settings and a more powerful GPU and CPU, even when he lowers his resolution to the 1080p I run in.  He gets annoyed every time I stream and he sees how fluid my sim is.  Obviously, others are complaining about the same thing.  Equally obviously, it doesn't affect everyone, so it seems like all you can do is cross your fingers when you try it the first time.  Hopefully SU4 will be the fix for this, as I've seen the beta folks claiming large performance improvements.

5 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

What about the stuttering on short final and landing? Is this something that only a handful of users experience? I am also still somewhat concerned about the LOD situation. I certainly would not want it to be any worse than that in MSFS 2020. Then there are the reports of (sometimes) blurry runway textures when landing. Not acceptable at any time as far as I am concerned. Of course, I need to wait for the PMDG 737-600/900 to be released for MSFS 2024. Until that happens, everything else is irrelevant.

Regarding LODs, the wind sock is not visible when you are flying at the pattern altitude.  I would think this would be pretty important when trying to figure out which runway to land on at an untowered airport.

7 hours ago, brucewtb said:

However it does seem that if flying low enough to discern individual blades of grass is not your thing then the overall experience will not be particuarly dramatic compared to 2020.

Far more improvements to enjoy than visual ground details, whether low/slow flying or tubeliner flying:
- first and foremost, the flight dynamics (from consideration of the detailed airframe/fuselage/wings/etc geometry for CFD, to better inertia modelling, crosswind handling, and more). And this is very noticeable in both default aircraft as well as 3rd party birds in 2024 vs 2020
- much better ground handling/physics (a subset of this did get backported to 2020)
- much better water handling/physics
- new photometric environmental lighting engine (a subset of this did get backported to 2020)
- better clouds lighting/shadows/etc
- better clouds variety and depiction
- much better multi-threading, and overall better performance (finally realized in SU4)
- ray-traced cockpit lighting
- sophisticated default flight planner
- seasons
- 24hr historical snapshot of the MSFS world (not just all the MSFS weather served for the past 24 hrs but also traffic/other data)

The above are maybe not as dramatic overall as going from pre-MSFS to MSFS 2020, but definitely tangible and noticeable.

Of course if flying low and slow, then a dramatic jump in visual fidelity and immersion from 2020->2024:
- ground details multiple orders of magnitude more than 2020 (3D ground terrain from the micro->macro levels, and this goes hand in hand with the new ground handling physics)
- 3D trees & vegetation, multiple different biomes, etc
- AI placing 3D objects where it detects them in the 2D analysis, tessellation, 2D-to-3D AI conversion (i.e. Mt Kilimanjaro), etc
 

2024 is far superior to 2020 and dismissing it as merely better for “low and slow” alone is doing yourself a disservice. It’s time to move on once SU4 launches. They have finally nailed the performance and now the sim is amazing. 

2 minutes ago, lwt1971 said:

- much better ground handling/physics (a subset of this did get backported to 2020)

Really?  I haven't noticed any substantial differences in 2020 ground handling post SU16.  Good sized tricycle gear airplanes still weathervane like they're small taildraggers on the ground.  It's by far my biggest issue in 2020.

The ground handling improvements are the number one thing I'm looking forward to when I finally make the jump to '24.  Now I'm nervous.  If many of the changes were added to '20, something I've not seen mentioned before, then I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed.  

Comments?

 

Scott

Just now, JonathanC said:

 They have finally nailed the performance and now the sim is amazing. 

I continue to be blown away by 2024...and I'm still in SU3!  Graphically phenomenal including weather and performance?  Hard to imagine it improving!

1 minute ago, tttocs said:

Comments?

Yes, stay in 2020 if you're that fearful.

3 minutes ago, Noel said:

I continue to be blown away by 2024...and I'm still in SU3!  Graphically phenomenal including weather and performance?  Hard to imagine it improving!

SU4 is significantly better .. 

11 minutes ago, tttocs said:

Really?  I haven't noticed any substantial differences in 2020 ground handling post SU16.  Good sized tricycle gear airplanes still weathervane like they're small taildraggers on the ground.  It's by far my biggest issue in 2020.

The ground handling improvements are the number one thing I'm looking forward to when I finally make the jump to '24.  Now I'm nervous.  If many of the changes were added to '20, something I've not seen mentioned before, then I'm afraid I'm going to be disappointed.  

Just a subset of the 2024 features (via flight model config parameters) got backported to 2020, but aircraft developers need to take advantage of this. I don't use 2020 any more so can't really speak for the current state of things (though I'm pretty sure the default C172 G1000 version in 2020 does make use of it). But holistic ground handling wise 2024 is definitely better (note Stearmandriver's post above.. he's an IRL pilot, and various other IRL pilots opinions about ground handling and flight dynamics are in this thread if you're interested: https://www.avsim.com/forums/topic/654326-msfs-2024-flight-dynamics-and-groundwater-handling-thread/)