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64gb vs 32gb RAM

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  • JonathanC
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    32 is fine. I ran 32 for ages. I have 64 GB now, but I would never buy at today's prices .. it made sense when I bought it. I really don't think you need more than 32 GB.. 16 GB would be a little low.

  • Me, too.  Love a dedicated computer.

  • In my opinion, I would never "recommend" 64 gb.  32 is fine, 64 is what I would call a luxury.  It can help with 1% lows and a few fringe performance cases but for almost all situations 32 is fine. 

 Going from 32gb to 64gb made a MASSIVE difference for me with 2024. I was getting near constant Low GPU mem warnings in the sim but if I checked the built in fps display it showed NO issues at all with GPU memory (barely 50% on my RTX 4080) but it showed that it was my system ram that was hovering on exhaustion. My monitor is an ultra-wide  at 5120x1440 and that wasn't even running in full screen, often 60-70% windowed.
 I upgraded to 64gb in January and it has been smooth sailing ever since.  Yup, I paid an arm and a leg for it, but figured the prices weren't going down anytime soon and I am very happy that I did as they have gone up even more since then (approx $360 more now than what I paid 4 months ago). When I think back to even just late last summer I could have gotten the entire 64gb kit for about $250 which is now retailing for $1400.

i7-13700KF, 32gb DDR4 3200,  RTX 4080, Win 11, MSFS 2024

The short answer is, those who have 32 are going to say 32 is enough, those who have 64 are going to say that 64 is better.

64 is better 😉

 9950X3D - X870E Aorus Master- TUF 5090 OC - 64GB DDR5 - 1500W HXi - Titan 360 RX LCD - 9100 Pro x 2  - LG 45GX950A - HOTAS Warthog with Ava Base

I upgraded from the 32Gb I had last year for 2020 to 64Gb for my new 2024 setup.

I don’t regret it one bit but there some things to be aware of - apart from the price! I bought my original 32Gb RAM for £150. The extra RAM cost £320!

However there are still issues to be aware of when you install 4x16Gb DIMMS. Not sure whether this applies to all motherboards, but on my Gigabyte Aero z790, I can’t run 64Gb with XMP1 at 6000MHz with CL30 timings, bc it becomes unstable. I’ve got mine running now with XMP2 with CL40 at 5600MHz.

i would start by staying with 32Gb assuming they are 2x16Gb. Unless you’re already running 4k… then that might not be enough. There’s loads of optimisations you can do now esp with SU5 that will definitely help.

Anyway good luck with it, hope this helps.

5 hours ago, Funky D said:

As others mentioned, the sim will take advantage of over 32GB of RAM, but whether or not there is a noticeable performance benefit

MSFS is very cache-friendly, the 7800X3D's cache memory already eliminates a lot of memory pressure. at high graphics settings/high  resolution, memory speed becomes virtually irrelevant.

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

6 minutes ago, rayharris108 said:

Unless you’re already running 4k…

higher resolution requires more GPU/VRAM, not mainboard DRAM

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

3 hours ago, St Mawgan said:

those who have 32 are going to say 32 is enough, those who have 64 are going to say that 64 is better.

and the single one user who has 96 GB said it was even better 😀

hasn't provided a single benchmark screenhot showing increased fps or more constant frametimes though. 

Edited by turbomax

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

I still only have 16bg of system dram on a 7 year old pc with a 3080 gtx gpu... and I get no memory warnings from msfs 2024 at all.

But then again I don't use any scenery addons, only aircraft addons. It runs fine and with that new frame generation mod I am getting 100+ fps and all is nice and smooth on approach in NY area.

I can’t say how much better 96GB is, but I am glad i went “overboard” on RAM over a year ago. Memory prices have gone insane thanks to AI. 

7950X3D | RTX 4090 | 96GB DDR5 | 4K G-Sync | Win11 Pro

9 hours ago, turbomax said:

hasn't provided a single benchmark screenhot showing increased fps or more constant frametimes though

Sorry, not going to pull out my 96GB RAM, buy 32GB RAM and run more testing to provide resulting data and then no one caring what the data suggest because they just "want to believe" ... seems a bit pointless ... unless of course you're willing to fund the work effort?  😉 

I have provided screenshots of RAM use many times and will again:

43GB used

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42GB used:

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These are screen captures I posted from the videos I made.  I'm not going to post my videos because I hate to be accused of trying to make money from them even though I don't monetize any of my videos nor sell merchandise nor have big fat juicy contracts with vendors ... not that it matters because we back to people just "wanting to believe whatever the heck they want to believe". 🙂

Quick overview of why one wants to use the fastest possible access to data/resources:

  • HDD - slow as snot 175-300 MB/s access times 8ms 
  • SSD SATA - better 600 MB/s - access times 0.5ms
  • PCIe Gen3 NVMe - 1,500 - 3,500 MB/s - access times 0.025ms (normally measure in us microseconds)
  • PCIe Gen4 NVMe - 5,000 - 7,000 MB/s - access times 0.020ms
  • PCIe Gen5 NVMe - 10,000 - 14,000 MB/s - access times 0.020ms
  • DDR5 RAM 6000Mhz - 50,000 MB/s - 0.00001ms access times (normally measure in ns nanoseconds)
  • GDDR7 RAM - 192,000 MB/s - 0.0000022ms access times

It's a pretty simple concept, the more data you have in the fastest possible storage component, the better for performance.  For FPS hunters (of which I am not) this doesn't translate exactly to some magical FPS increase (too many other variables on software and hardware side), it should however reduce long frame frequency so one's FPS will be a bit more consistent.

 

Edited by SayAgain

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. - Carl Sagan

28 minutes ago, SayAgain said:

I have provided screenshots of RAM use

and where exactly do you show a direct relationship between more RAM results in more fps? the fact that MSFS can use and pre-load stuff into main memory upto 42 GB is not proof that this makes the sim run smoother. especially not when using CPU's that have lots of cache, which is many times faster than main DRAM.

AMD 7800X3D, Windows 11, Gigabyte X670 AORUS Elite AX Motherboard, 64GB DDR5 G.SKILL Trident Z5 NEO RGB (AMD Expo), RTX 4090,  Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 2 TB PCIe 4.0, Samsung 980 PRO M.2 NVMe SSD 1 TB PCIe 4.0, 4K resolution 50" TV @60Hz, VR: Pimax Crystal Light + HP Reverb G2 @ 90 Hz, Honeycomb Bravo Throttle Quadrant, be quiet 1000W PSU, Noctua NH-U12S chromax.black air cooler.

60-130 fps. no CPU overclocking.

very nice.

13 hours ago, St Mawgan said:

The short answer is, those who have 32 are going to say 32 is enough, those who have 64 are going to say that 64 is better.

64 is better 😉

48 Gb is better 🥳

5950x3d 5.4-5.7 GHz - Asus ROG 870 Crosshair Apex - GSkill Neo 2x 24 Gb 6000 mhz / cas 26 -  MSI RTX 5090 Gaming Trio OC - 1x SSD M2 6000 2TB - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 1Tb -  Corsair 5400  case - Corsair 360 liquid cooling set  - 3x 75’ TCL tv.

13600  6 cores @ 5.1 GHz / 8 cores @ 4.0 GHz (hypterthreading on) - Asus ROG Strix Gaming D - GSkill Trident 4x Gb 3200 MHz cas 15 - Asus TUF RTX 4080 16 Gb  - 1x SSD M2 2800/1800 2TB - 2x  Sata 600 SSD 500 Mb - Corsair D4000 Airflow case - NXT Krajen Z63 AIO liquide cooling - 

FOV : 200 degrees

My flightsim vids :  https://www.youtube.com/user/fswidesim/videos?shelf_id=0&sort=dd&view=0

 

Only "small hiccups" when loading at complex airport, all maxed, goes to over 30 GB then it drops to 22-25 GB...I thought I might not be able to run without 64 GB like I had on my 2020 PC...but it proved me wrong. So far 32 is sufficient on my build. Saved some $$ at least....

Alex 

13 minutes ago, turbomax said:

and where exactly do you show a direct relationship between more RAM results in more fps? the fact that MSFS can use and pre-load stuff into main memory upto 42 GB is not proof that this makes the sim run smoother. especially not when using CPU's that have lots of cache, which is many times faster than main DRAM.

Where did he say that "more RAM results in more fps"?

Christopher Low

AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme

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