It’s very complex software; you have to keep in mind that there are countless different hardware combinations, and the combinations of scenarios, locations, and add-ons are endless. It’s a very complex system, and we’re not going to take anything away from Asobo

But having said that, it’s hard to believe they didn’t have any issues with 2020 and 2024 in the state they were released. It’s also obvious that 2024 is following the same path as 2020 when it comes to stabilizing, and it’s equally obvious that those who criticize  complainers are always the same people. I honestly don’t understand what they gain from this. We are consumers, not shareholders or Microsoft employees, and complacency is hardly going to solve anything.

7 minutes of b-roll only to be told to "reinstall the sim" 🤡

That's like burning your house down to kill a spider.

 

Just give me a culling option in the graphics settings and I promise to never complain again 🙂 … 

2 hours ago, bobcat999 said:

Never had an issue since 2020?  Not even the multitude of issues even MS / Asobo admitted to have been an issue and have put right in various sim updates and ultra long patch notes, probably thousands of fixes? 
I can't take this seriously if this is the case, as this must either be a joke or you are blind to them.

PS.  I had to stop watching your video when you said not to have MS Office installed on the same PC as MS2024.  Absolute rubbish.  

actually not... you are entitled to your ideas however office is a huge intrusie memory hog and has wreaked havoc on many office machines i have worked with... certainly that and fs2024 is a bad combo... maybe that is one reason you have issues

 

43 minutes ago, FPVSteve said:

7 minutes of b-roll only to be told to "reinstall the sim" 🤡

That's like burning your house down to kill a spider.

 

hey i clearly stated most avsimmers won't benefit from this so why did you watch then, I am just frustrated over the amount or apparent amount of complainers .... not here necessarily 

54 minutes ago, kerosene31 said:

The other important thing about 2020 and 2024 is that things behave differently for different people, even if those poeple do similar things.  In troubleshooting, you'd assume if user 1 does X, Y, Z and user 2 does the exact same things in the exact same order, results should be the same.  For some reason, especially starting with 2020, it was common for people to see wildly different resuts.  It can be easy to say "well, user 2 must have done something wrong if they see something differently".  While that's possible, it isn't always the case.

I mentioned my 2020 CTDs after an SU.  I found a few people with the exact same issue as me, but the vast majority of the community was fine.  Had 2020 been crashing on everyone, it would have been all over the internet.  Something impacted a small subset of us (FWIW, it seemed to track back to a specific video card).  To this day I still don't know what caused it.  

I have very few issues with 2024 overall, fewer than most it seems, but I never, ever talk down to anyone who is, because I've been on the wrong end of those conversations enough times to know it isn't useful or helpful.  

All I know what has and has not worked for me over the years, having a clean computer, without office or garbage addon business and anti virus has worked like a charm.... as I always state, I hope I can help "just one person"... and in this case, it aint you ... and many others have continuing issues... with no solution either I might add.

26 minutes ago, JETPETER300 said:

hey i clearly stated most avsimmers won't benefit from this so why did you watch then, I am just frustrated over the amount or apparent amount of complainers .... not here necessarily 

I wasn't talking about your video, it was the EJSP one above my comment. Sorry that wasn't clear 👍

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1 hour ago, FPVSteve said:

7 minutes of b-roll only to be told to "reinstall the sim" 🤡

That's like burning your house down to kill a spider.

 

Well it worked for him and with 2024, reinstalling isn't that big of a deal. The real takeaway here is that this video serves as him taking his foot out of his mouth for rushing to downgrade speculation.

1 hour ago, JETPETER300 said:

All I know what has and has not worked for me over the years, having a clean computer, without office or garbage addon business and anti virus has worked like a charm.... as I always state, I hope I can help "just one person"... and in this case, it aint you ... and many others have continuing issues... with no solution either I might add.

What benchmarks have you done to prove any of your assertions?  Do you have any data to back up any of this?  Even just one PC running Office then not would be a useful test (even if not statistically significant).  You don't do that though, instead just make wild assumptions.  

The problem is, stopping anything from running on a PC frees up resources and could in theory improve performance.  The key thing though is "by how much?".  Are these performance gains actually noticeable?  That's the important part of the question.  My bet would be that Office barely has a noticeable difference for the few things it does in the background when not running, but that's just a guess, because I haven't done any testing (nor do I care to).  

As an IT professional, it bothers me when people make massive assumptions and pass them off as fact. 

3 hours ago, SayAgain said:

Asobo also proceeded to suggest the issue was 3rd party AI traffic models at fault, I (and others) have provided visual evidence this is NOT the case.

Let me interject here by saying: Objection. It is very much the case.

I only use the AIG models and while the landing gear does vanish way sooner than on MS2020 it is only one aircraft model where it really shows up so late that it becomes a problem and that is the 787.

The default ASOBO AI models also suffer from it way more than AIG models.

9 minutes ago, Farlis said:

The default ASOBO AI models also suffer from it way more than AIG models.

Not sure what you are objecting about … against Asobo or me?  

You confirm that AIG & Asobo both exhibit the problem of culling landing gear?  Asobo suggested that their models no longer have the culling issue, so I provided images (earlier in this thread and other threads) they do indeed have the same culling issue (many models I tested with).  Also provided  images of AIG models have the same culling issue (in other threads), and even 3rd party aircraft like PMDG, and jetways, and … 

We can define what bothers us differently, but when I see aircraft that taxi around with no landing gear or when they land with no landing gear (regardless of AI model) … 

3 hours ago, FPVSteve said:

7 minutes of b-roll only to be told to "reinstall the sim" 🤡

That's like burning your house down to kill a spider.

 

I did that once, but in all fairness I didn’t like the house and it was a massive spider

2 hours ago, Farlis said:

Let me interject here by saying: Objection. It is very much the case.

I only use the AIG models and while the landing gear does vanish way sooner than on MS2020 it is only one aircraft model where it really shows up so late that it becomes a problem and that is the 787.

The default ASOBO AI models also suffer from it way more than AIG models.

Having used all the various model programs (AIG, FSLTL, FSTraffic) I feel there is a definite hierarchy, with FStraffic models being the most compatible with MSFS2024, such as wheels much less likely to be buried in the tarmac as well as the wheel culling seeming to be more restrained. FPS also seems to be better overall, for me.

I will soon be trying Bravoairspace's Airline Traffic Global.

One thing that I'm ecstatic over is they finally fixed the water tile popping issue! At least as far as I can tell. I've done a bunch of over-water-ops and I haven't seen them since upgrading. This is a huge win because it was a MASSIVE break in immersion and has been around since 2020. 

the wipers actually clear rain now on the A321Neo, finally. This is not mentioned in the patch notes. I assume this is also fixed on the other Airbuses, but I haven't tested them in rain yet.

Edited May 5May 5 by Tuskin38