Good luck, Krister. It is true, that some user setups can be problematic, but being unable to even start FS9 is quite strange. Since you've been to the iFly forums, you have probably read about installation with A-virus disabled and such things. Or deleting FS9.cfg.... checking the FSUIPC version.... Strange indeed.Regards,Jure

Aha! Fsuipc! I noticed now that fsuipc in some way had been altered since the time stamp was just around when I installed the i737, I replaced it with my bought version of fsuipc and now it starts. Actually I hadn't read the forum thouroughly yet since the problem occured only yesterday, so thanks for pointing it out (don't have any antivirus installed on this comp btw)

If you want an airplane in the same category as Willco then iFLY is OK.....but they are not close to the best ones DA-F100, Level-D, F1-ATR or PMDG....just my 5 cents:)) regards/Rodd

Stop trolling. It's boring.

HiIf you want an airplane in the same category as Willco then iFLY is OK.....but they are not close to the best ones DA-F100, Level-D, F1-ATR or PMDG....just my 5 cents:)) regards/Rodd

:( :( That is too hilarious :( B) You have got to be kidding right??

HiI did install interim patch 1 & 2, after I installed nr 2 I got alot CTD's & other strange stuff that I have never seen my computer preform.If you want an airplane in the same category as Willco then iFLY is OK.....but they are not close to the best ones DA-F100, Level-D, F1-ATR or PMDG....just my 5 cents:)) regards/Rodd

If you get CTD's and whatnot it can be either the plane or your computer.I haven't had a single ctd traceable to the Ifly since they releasedthe interim patch two.I think a lot of the CTD's can be traced back to user error or bad pc maintenance by now.I flew several worldflight sectors in the midst of a huge crowd on an airfieldand even on my ancient system it remained flyable i.e +20 fps.But here's a deal :you go fly the F1 Atr,DA F100,Level D and PMDG while I'll go fly the same planes witha lot of Iflying between them.As for me the Ifly is above the Wilco planes,and as dependable as the PMDG and Level D aircraft.cheersJP.

Hello What about IFLYs ND display? In map mode It looks cheap! straight lines from waypoint to waypoint, no curves like in the PMDG, comeon it's not an Airbus! Compared to PMDG the PFD, ND & EFIS are not good looking they just look cheap! Other things I don't like are no removable VC, takes alot FPS, the autopilot is a joke, autolandings are not near as good as in PMDG!For you guys that want to by it, do it & try it out, keep it or make a refund like I did:-)) For me at least, the PMDG 737 is still my choice;)))

Hi Rodd, Let me say firstly you are completely right to express your views on the iFly 737 and I would love to have seen you post them on our support forum as then I would been able to help you solve some of what were obvious install issues.With interim patch version 2 there have been huge changes with the aircraft but since it was launched it has autolanded perfectly and is one of the strong points. It is great that you were claim your refund because it is important to use that the aircraft meets your expectations. I am curious before you asked for the refund did you seek and support and for my own personal development could you provide me with your user name so I can see if there are any lessons I can learn from your experience which was obviously not a good one.

Personally, I recommend the iFly 737 and think it's well worth having. In fact, being a big 737 fan, it's the only FS9 add-on I was prepared to break my 'no more buying more FS9-only products' cut off rule for this year. Especially since apparently they are going to discount it to FSX users who've bought the FS9 version when that FSX version shows up, with rumours of that being pitched at 14.95 if you have the FS9 one.It installed on my computer with no problems whatsoever and runs great, and as much as I rate the Wilco PIC 737, I have to say that the iFly one is a good contender against it in most regards and in quite a few areas it is an improvement, notwithstanding the fact that the two can't be completely fairly compared since they depict different variants and the iFly one has the advantage in being a more recent product. It also compares well to most other FS9 737s too, such as the Ariane, PMDG and AeroSim ones, and all those have their merits for me as well.I can't argue with the value either: All those different 737 models for thirty-five quid is quite a bargain, and I also can't argue with having a nice up to the minute 737 VC on a version of Flight Simulator that can run with all the sliders and effects maxed out to give you this frame rate when taking off from Manchester Airport with the traffic sliders on full throttle too...Being a 737 fan, I'm actually really looking forward to seeing the FSX one show up just as much as I am eagerly awaiting the PMDG one, because then I'll have a PMDG one, an Ariane one, a Wilco one and an iFly one (plus my shoehorned into FSX AeroSim 200ADV), so I'll be a happy camper. and if the recent voting on the Captain Sim website is anything to go by, we might end up with a new 200 variant for FSX as well, but in the meantime, this FS9 version is certainly my favourite 737 package in terms of value.Al

Rodd has his opinion on the ifly. I happen to agree with him, and find the PMDG a better option. I also got mocked for my opinion.This is supposed to be a discussion forum. But clearly there is a groovy clique that does not allow criticism of the latest toy. Really, what a bloody shower.Cheers,Dave

This is supposed to be a discussion forum. But clearly there is a groovy clique that does not allow criticism of the latest toy. Really, what a bloody shower.Cheers,DaveDave...the reaction to Rod was because of his generalizations about iFly ("cheap," "joke") which clearly were completely out of line with the reality of other very critical and experienced simmers, and thus seemed more like an emotional rant rather than a balanced and rational critique which would be helpful to people like me who will make decisions based on this forum. Further, the CTD issue appears to be a user problem now, yet the developer is immediately assumed to be at fault. The "It can't be my fault" and "Anyone who does not share my simming priorities or tastes is an idiot" are not assumptions which will get you an ear by the developer or other simmers.I would like to hear as many perspectives as possible, if they are balanced and fair. When you describe iFly supporters as a "groovy clique that does not allow criticism," when in fact there is plenty of constructive and balanced criticism in this thread by supporters, and describe the thread as a "bloody shower," both statements are the same kind of grossly exaggerated emotional generalizations that cause your opinions to be immediately dismissed.Perhaps a balanced and reasonable tone would get your perspective at least fair consideration.Regards,Roy

If there is a groovy clique, then I'm unaware of it and wouldn't wish to be part of it myself, I simply wrote what I thought about the thing. If other people's comments were harsh, that is of course their business, but it doesn't look to me as though there was anything especially nasty said when taking the opposite stance to the Rodd's view, just contrary opinions.The only issue I had at all with the iFly 737, was the autopilot detecting miniscule stick movements and disconnecting, which was solved with a simple tweak to the stick's deadzone. Apart from that it seems to work very well in most respects, so if that viewpoint clashes with others, it's nothing to do with being in some clique, but simply reflects my individual experience with the thing, which has been good, and I can only go off that.As it happens, I do agree that some of the PFD pages are not as polished as they appear in one or two other FS 737s, but for me, so long as they function I can live with that, and in any case, I could always sling the Integrated Sim Avionics ones, or ones from another FS 737 in there if it bothered me that badly. So I'm certainly not blindly saying everything about the iFly 737 is manifestly better, there are still some things I prefer in other FS9 737s, the cockpit lighting in Ariane's FS9 737 VC is nicer for example, and that has some cool icing effects which I also like very much. But there is much to like about iFly's version.Personal preferences aside, there is a picture to support at least one contention though - that of frame rates - because you can see from my screenshot on an earlier post that the iFly 737 is bopping along at well over 100 fps on full detail settings, which drops by around ten percent in the VC, so is still nudging 100 fps when inside the thing. Thus if someone is struggling with fps, I'd be inclined to think that's a user issue or a hardware constraint, and that being the case, if it couldn't be solved, then they can (and apparently did in Rodd's case) take the refund option, so they are no worse off.If people prefer to use the old PMDG 737NG, or any of the other 737s you can get for FS9 for that matter, then that's their choice of course, but the fact is that as innovative and trailblazing a benchmark as PMDG's FS9 NG was when it came out, it's getting rather long in the tooth these days, especially with regard to the VC, and with no sign of PMDG planning to tickle that up, I think that the more people who support iFly stepping up to the FS9 plate that there are, the better it is for those who still run FS9.Al

If there is a groovy clique, then I'm unaware of it and wouldn't wish to be part of it myself, I simply wrote what I thought about the thing. If other people's comments were harsh, that is of course their business, but it doesn't look to me as though there was anything especially nasty said when taking the opposite stance to the Rodd's view, just contrary opinions.The only issue I had at all with the iFly 737, was the autopilot detecting miniscule stick movements and disconnecting, which was solved with a simple tweak to the stick's deadzone. Apart from that it seems to work very well in most respects, so if that viewpoint clashes with others, it's nothing to do with being in some clique, but simply reflects my individual experience with the thing, which has been good, and I can only go off that.As it happens, I do agree that some of the PFD pages are not as polished as they appear in one or two other FS 737s, but for me, so long as they function I can live with that, and in any case, I could always sling the Integrated Sim Avionics ones, or ones from another FS 737 in there if it bothered me that badly. So I'm certainly not blindly saying everything about the iFly 737 is manifestly better, there are still some things I prefer in other FS9 737s, the cockpit lighting in Ariane's FS9 737 VC is nicer for example, and that has some cool icing effects which I also like very much. But there is much to like about iFly's version.Personal preferences aside, there is a picture to support at least one contention though - that of frame rates - because you can see from my screenshot on an earlier post that the iFly 737 is bopping along at well over 100 fps on full detail settings, which drops by around ten percent in the VC, so is still nudging 100 fps when inside the thing. Thus if someone is struggling with fps, I'd be inclined to think that's a user issue or a hardware constraint, and that being the case, if it couldn't be solved, then they can (and apparently did in Rodd's case) take the refund option, so they are no worse off.If people prefer to use the old PMDG 737NG, or any of the other 737s you can get for FS9 for that matter, then that's their choice of course, but the fact is that as innovative and trailblazing a benchmark as PMDG's FS9 NG was when it came out, it's getting rather long in the tooth these days, especially with regard to the VC, and with no sign of PMDG planning to tickle that up, I think that the more people who support iFly stepping up to the FS9 plate that there are, the better it is for those who still run FS9.Al

Couldnt have said it any better.

Until I return from being overseas and install patches, pmdg for me. But that could change.....2 things I noticed though is that i found that the ifly 737 gave me a lot less FPS then i liked. Way less then the pmdg 737. Another thing I noticed is I found it extremely difficult to hand fly as opposed the pmdg and for that matter the wilco 737. Dont know why that is the case, but I found it a little frustrating. Maybe more time behind the wheel might fix that.Either way, no matter what we like, good thing that we HAVE a choice and some are making add-ons that push each other to improve. Hopefully that will continue in the future. Here's hoping...

Either way, no matter what we like, good thing that we HAVE a choice

exactly

Depends on which 737 model you are flying to some extent as to whether it should be easy to hand fly, although I'll admit that I've not flown all the various iFly 737s enough yet to determine if they are so very different from one another as far as handling should go. But if it was the 600 model that you tried, then that would be correct to at least some extent, because the real 600NG is apparently not anywhere near as stable in flight as all the other NGs and is a bit of a pig by most accounts.Boeing had to resort to modifying the wings on the 600 to prevent flutter, by making them from thicker metal at the tips than on other NGs, and the wing to body fairings had to be redesigned in order to get it all to fit together properly because of the shortened fuselage, which also reduced directional stability and affected the aerodynamics, as a result, it lacks a lot of the nicer characteristics of other 737s and is not popular with airlines because of that as evidenced by the sales, or rather the lack of them, even in spite of cheaper landing fees due to its size. On top of all that, it also has lower powered engines than all other NGs, even though they are the same basic CFM type, which also affects how it handles. Not surprisingly, Boeing have discontinued it.Notwithstanding the 600's foibles, at the moment, I'm leaning towards thinking both the Wilco and the Ariane 737s fly a bit more believably than the iFly, but it's too early to say for sure, and of course the iFly is still very much in the realms of where further patches are not only possible, but probably quite likely. The PMDG 737 flies well of course, but it comes across as overpowered to me and I think I'm right in saying I'm not the only one who has drawn that conclusion, although not nearly so much as the AeroSim 200 variant, which is a nice model, but that one accelerates like an F-104.I'm certainly going to pick the brains of a few people I know who fly the real thing to get some opinions though, since in real life, I've never flown anything bigger than a twin prop aircraft LOL. As you say though, it's great to have so many 737s to mess about with these days and will be even better when the FSX version of PMDG's NG shows up and Wilco get around to tarting up their 3/4/500 variants. And if Captain Sim make a new 200, which is looking like a possibility, then things will be even better still on the 737 front.Al

Try the Aerosim 737-200 at La Paz or Sucre, and see ifg you still mind it being overpowered. Believe, that's one crazy takeoff run over there! I crash 50% of the time...

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