Looking forward to receiving these manuals. They'll be a great reference for my FS environment and needs.

Gents-Don't let this Anthony fellow get under your skin. The best way to deal with mal-contents is to ignore them. Nothing bugs a self centered narcissist more than simply being ignored...(Trust me... we've dealt with this at PMDG. :( )A few folks have expressed disappointment at the high price level- and we certainly understand. These are not inexpensive to license, manufacture or ship. At the end of the day we are interested in offering options for folks who are interested in them. That is what PMDG is about.I can confirm for anyone concerned, that the Flight Crew Operating Manuals Vol 1 & Vol 2, plus the Flight Crew Training Manual will be included with the product in PDF format. We are still working out details on the QRH availability. I think it is likely that the only change you all will see is that we do not make these documents available as a free download from our website. This is being dictated by the people who own the manuals- and as such we shall comply- even if it isn't our first choice.I should get a few moments free a bit later to toss up a comparison page to show you the difference between the color and b/w QRH options... One vs. the other does not change the effectiveness of the document at all- but we wanted to offer it just because some folks might want it.Oh- and just to be clear: We have not increased our own profit on the QRH based on whether you take the color or b/w. To put it another way, we are offering the color option at OUR COST... Let's see... What else was there... Oh- yes: "PMDG doesn't know their customers." Well... judging by the size of the FedEx truck that will be needed to pick up the first day's shipments on Tuesday, apparently we do.To all of you who have already picked up a set of manuals- thank you. We are confident that you will get many many years of good use out of them.

Dear,Will all of these documenents become available in electronic (.pdf) format? I think it would drop the price while PMDG still gets the same profit, no?Best Regards,Bert Van Bulck

Dear,Will all of these documenents become available in electronic (.pdf) format? I think it would drop the price while PMDG still gets the same profit, no?Best Regards,Bert Van Bulck

your answer is right there, in the post you just quoted:

Gents-Don't let this Anthony fellow get under your skin. The best way to deal with mal-contents is to ignore them. Nothing bugs a self centered narcissist more than simply being ignored...(Trust me... we've dealt with this at PMDG. :( )A few folks have expressed disappointment at the high price level- and we certainly understand. These are not inexpensive to license, manufacture or ship. At the end of the day we are interested in offering options for folks who are interested in them. That is what PMDG is about.I can confirm for anyone concerned, that the Flight Crew Operating Manuals Vol 1 & Vol 2, plus the Flight Crew Training Manual will be included with the product in PDF format. We are still working out details on the QRH availability. I think it is likely that the only change you all will see is that we do not make these documents available as a free download from our website. This is being dictated by the people who own the manuals- and as such we shall comply- even if it isn't our first choice.I should get a few moments free a bit later to toss up a comparison page to show you the difference between the color and b/w QRH options... One vs. the other does not change the effectiveness of the document at all- but we wanted to offer it just because some folks might want it.Oh- and just to be clear: We have not increased our own profit on the QRH based on whether you take the color or b/w. To put it another way, we are offering the color option at OUR COST... Let's see... What else was there... Oh- yes: "PMDG doesn't know their customers." Well... judging by the size of the FedEx truck that will be needed to pick up the first day's shipments on Tuesday, apparently we do.To all of you who have already picked up a set of manuals- thank you. We are confident that you will get many many years of good use out of them.

'but I assure you they don't lie in bed at night and intensively read them'I know several pilots that have done exactly that actually. And when I was first learning to fly back in the 90's, I went even further...I read two dirty great big expensive flight manuals and then to kill time when on the bus traveling to work a few weeks before I went on a residential pilot training course, I bought a notepad and wrote my own abridged version of the contents of those two flight manuals as an exercise to ensure I had digested the information fully. If I ever got to a subject I could not write a thorough explanation of convincingly, I would then re-read that part of the manual that evening so that I could carry on with my efforts on the bus the following morning. My 'book' is about 300 pages long, all hand-written with hand-drawn diagrams and it was a great learning technique. That's the kind of thing people who are dedicated to learning things properly will do. It worked too, I was sent on my first ever solo after 7 hours and 15 minutes of dual instruction.I've still got that notebook actually, and here it is if you don't believe me:Al

One wonders if people travel in time... :( I had a doubt and checked: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Microsoft_Flight_SimulatorFS1 for the AppleII has been released in January 1980, so simming since 77 on Sublogics FS seems "strange" to say the least :)

Come on...play fair :When Bruce Artwick established his subLOGIC corporation in 1977, his new firm offered a “3D microcomputer graphics package” that allow engineers, architects, designers, pilots and anyone else interested in 3D wire frame drawings to generate what they wanted on a TV screen. The first version of 3D Graphics was available in BASIC and M6800 assembly language already in August 1977. In this time they were preparing other 3D Graphics packages for 8080, 6502 and Z80 processors. Bruce Artwick presented his programs in Kilobaud magazine, issue 10, in October 1977.

So you're basically saying that we all have to shell out hundreds of dollars to feed your caffeine habit!! :(

Ron-Well...Sorta.... :( I've been on the decaf bandwagon since 2003. I LOVE coffee but the caffeine was getting to be a bit much. Was laying in a hotel room one night and the whole bed was moving because my caffeine saturated heart was pounding away...And to my dismay I discovered that neither Vin. Paul or Ryan drink coffee...Can you imagine the misery of hanging around with non coffee drinkers in the freezing cold winter of KMSP?Gonna have to add "coffee: Y/N" to the job application around this place...

I was looking at the FCOM (volume 1 &2) which is $170 USD, though our dollars are pretty much buck for buck it seems like a good idea. What I dont like the idea is paying $72 for postage! Is there anychance of working something out for postage to Oz?

Aidan,Unfortunately the rates are the rates... Sorry,

I thought it was the law for Americans to drink coffee LOL When you do a reprint of the manuals, add an image of a coffee cup ring on the cover, that'll teach 'em.Al

Come on...play fair :When Bruce Artwick established his subLOGIC corporation in 1977, his new firm offered a “3D microcomputer graphics package” that allow engineers, architects, designers, pilots and anyone else interested in 3D wire frame drawings to generate what they wanted on a TV screen. The first version of 3D Graphics was available in BASIC and M6800 assembly language already in August 1977. In this time they were preparing other 3D Graphics packages for 8080, 6502 and Z80 processors. Bruce Artwick presented his programs in Kilobaud magazine, issue 10, in October 1977.

That's quite long way from 3d wire frame drawings to flight simming :(

That's quite long way from 3d wire frame drawings to flight simming :(

LOL, yes well in those days it was "As good as it gets" and we did have sound - a bit like a mosquito (not the bomber variety either)

'but I assure you they don't lie in bed at night and intensively read them'I know several pilots that have done exactly that actually. And when I was first learning to fly back in the 90's, I went even further...[trimmed]Al

Al-Count me in on the laying awake at night reading. When I was trying to get out of airline management and into the cockpit, I was working 60hrs/week+ and building flight time at night. I'd get home late at night, then lay in bed with my books and later with my aircraft flight manuals, and the company operating manual, and then my FCOM...I spent so many years laying awake reading my manuals that it is not possible for me to fall asleep without reading first...Most of my airline pilot friends suffer the same affliction.

Does anyone know if to the UK additional import tax apply?Thankyou

Knowing the UK and the current global financial situation we will probably be stung for VAT, import duty, a release fee and then VAT on top of the lot! Dave, in poverty and not buying the manuals.

Was laying in a hotel room one night and the whole bed was moving because my caffeine saturated heart was pounding away...

Robert, that's essentially why I don't drink caffeine anymore myself. Spent way too many nights sitting in bed and more or less shaking myself to sleep because of all the Dr Pepper I was drinking. Decided back in June I'd had enough and haven't had any caffeine since.

I thought it was the law for Americans to drink coffee LOL

I suspect people are drinking more energy drinks these days, at least the younger generations. Out of my group of friends (we're all mid 20s to early 30s) I think only two of them drink coffee. Everyone else drinks "energy" drinks of one form or another. I do seem to be in the minority, however, as I was never a coffee drinker. Maybe because my dad let me try some when I was really young and I hated the taste. Come to think of it, I believe that happened with beer, too, and I am not a beer fan at all. haha

I remember when I ordered a coffee in London, never been to the States but for what I know it's more or less the same the same thing there. First and last time hehe. How you even dare to call that coffee? :(

Al-Count me in on the laying awake at night reading. When I was trying to get out of airline management and into the cockpit, I was working 60hrs/week+ and building flight time at night. I'd get home late at night, then lay in bed with my books and later with my aircraft flight manuals, and the company operating manual, and then my FCOM...I spent so many years laying awake reading my manuals that it is not possible for me to fall asleep without reading first...Most of my airline pilot friends suffer the same affliction.

I guess I'll suffer this afflication too starting very soon :) As much as I'd love to have been a professional pilot, it was said to me very soon because of my eyesight, but actually never took the step to even check what where the requirements and at that time it was not easy with the internet being only at its beginnings, and not at home. Now I can just hope someday I may earn enough so that I may try to get into a PPL training, but I'd need several raises for that I guess :) So flightsim will still the companion for quite sometime :)

Right. Hi all. At last all the bickering on this thread and debates on the usefulness of caffeine seem to be over and done with now.It has taken me the best part of 2 hours to trawl through this recent thread. I saw the heading title and my heart skipped a beat. Are we finally getting somewhere with the NGX.I constantly trawl the forum in case there is some good news but I am all too often left wanting.Despite all the pros, cons and views that have been aired over the last couple of days, the PMDG shop said it all. Just read the info on the shop page and there should be no need for half the messages here.I just get in take off and fly sometimes, I am also building a full size 737 cockpit, so regard myself as a general simmer at the moment but with the advent of the NGX, my cockpit will finally start to see some life being fed into it and I can start to take on the more serious side of flying.I have just purchased the NGX Captains Flight Manual Set with a view to becoming more informed and later a more proficient pilot. It is each to their own. I wanted it so I bought it. As to the price - I am retired and on a pension living in Spain. If you want something enough, you will save up for it and budget accordingly - so I do not think the price is too high as some have made out.This is my first post on the PMDG forum despite being a member for some time as I at last feel that this is a subject worth talking about instead of the usual supposition regarding release dates (or am I just being too serious). LolAll the best guys and I will be keeping an eye on the post over the next week to ten days.Gary