There's the important word.

LOL, but the new FDE guy is in the beta team for these 2 planes so that should help already, I hope ;)

BTW, Carenado hired an excellent FDE guy for their FSX planes to be released after the Baron and the Commander :)

ie you? :( If so I now have high hopes!

LOL, but the new FDE guy is in the beta team for these 2 planes so that should help already, I hope ;)

That should make a HUGE difference.. Glad that they acknowledge it was a shortcomming and their willingness to address says alot

Both developers are very good, but they both need to get rid of their "wind" sound file. I've never heard that sound in a GA airplane, yet it's included in nearly every release.

Both developers are very good, but they both need to get rid of their "wind" sound file. I've never heard that sound in a GA airplane, yet it's included in nearly every release.

Actually the wind sound is in most planes way too low. We discovered that during the Milviz Cessna 310 development with the actual sound recordings.Even the owner himself was surprised how much the wind sound increases with speed.One just gets used to it, like in a car on the highway....

Actually the wind sound is in most planes way too low. We discovered that during the Milviz Cessna 310 development with the actual sound recordings.Even the owner himself was surprised how much the wind sound increases with speed.One just gets used to it, like in a car on the highway....

Oh, let me clarify. I certainly agree about the amount of wind noise, but my comment had to do with the specific sound file used. It sounded like what you would hear from the default trike in FSX, and not what you would experience in a Cessna or twin-engined aircraft. EDIT: Just a few minutes ago I bought the Duke turbine model. I see they replaced the sound file with one that's much, much better. No complaints about the sounds at all, great job RealAir!

I'm hoping this background photo is a hint of a future King Air!

I prefer nice, clean looking cockpits....in all of my planes. The Beechcraft Duke cockpit is perfect in this respect. I don't really care about whether most real world plane cockpits have a "worn and used" look. Every plane is new once in its life, and at that moment the cockpit is pristine and clean.

Hi Guys, In my humble oppinion the difference between the VC of Carenado and Realair is (for me) the sense of being in a real airplane. The Carenado VC s are doing this for me, and the Realair not. I think that this is very subjective, though. I dont have re Realair Duke, but have seen all the videos and their gallery, and they confirm this "plastic look" that i rember from the SIAI-Marchetti SF260 that I had back in fs2004. Just my moneys worth Lars

I dont have re Realair Duke, but have seen all the videos and their gallery, and they confirm this "plastic look" that i rember from the SIAI-Marchetti SF260 that I had back in fs2004.

I wouldn't say that the Duke VC has a plastic look, but I understand where you are coming from. I much prefer the Turbine Duke VC over the piston version because they added a few smudges here and there.

At the risk of continuing off topic, one thing I just realized that seems to affect the 'feel' of authenticity or character of a simulated airplane is audio. Namely that of the sounds of the airplane as it moves on the ground. If you watch many in-cockpit videos on youtube, airplanes do not like being on the ground especially during landing. They yell a lot. Half of them sound like they are going to fall apart as they roll along the runway metal being pushed on and joints creaking and cracking! Yet most airplanes in FSX are very quiet on takeoff and landing. On the few where this has been added (RealAir Scout, Katana, A2A Cub, etc) it greatly adds to the feeling of a plane having character and being substantial versus fake and plastic.

At the risk of continuing off topic, one thing I just realized that seems to affect the 'feel' of authenticity or character of a simulated airplane is audio. Namely that of the sounds of the airplane as it moves on the ground. If you watch many in-cockpit videos on youtube, airplanes do not like being on the ground especially during landing. They yell a lot. Half of them sound like they are going to fall apart as they roll along the runway metal being pushed on and joints creaking and cracking! Yet most airplanes in FSX are very quiet on takeoff and landing. On the few where this has been added (RealAir Scout, Katana, A2A Cub, etc) it greatly adds to the feeling of a plane having character and being substantial versus fake and plastic.

That´s it! A plane can look as real as it gets but when they don´t get a good soundset done, it won´t that good.

Topic course correction... Is there any new info on the King Air?

This "plastic" theme has been discussed before, and answered. We like clean cockpits, and so do the vast majority of our customers who are not represented by the minority views expressed here (and they are a repeat of a similar thread by the same minority a while back). We feel that adding blemishes for the sake of it, or odd bits of not very convincing "dirt", can often look rather naff. In fact the turbine Duke has subtle mixes of cleanliness and scratches here and there. But we don't hit you in the face with it. We feel it is important to make clarity of gauges and smooth movement a high priority. The claims of "plastic" are actually quite wrong. I think it's fair to state a preference for more "dirty" panels, but if you look closely, our panels have not a single piece of "plastic-like" quality to them except for one single item described below and that is quite deliberate, because it's present on the real aircraft. I think someone is confusing the word "plastic" with "clean". They are not the same thing, and as has been repeated here many times (to the same small number of re-appearing complainers), many Duke owners express their pride in their aircraft by keeping them as immaculately as they can, so we simulate this too. Now for the ONE obvious plastic item: The Duke's yoke is made of polyoxybenzylmethylenglycolanhydride, a form of bakerlite of the type used in cream coloured telephones manufactured in the 1950's and early 1960's. This is an early form of plastic and is faithfully rendered in our Virtual Cockpit. I've been looking pixel by pixel at our VC's for years and I do not see any plastic anywhere, except where it is actually on the real aircraft. Anyway, you can't please everyone, but even if you don't like our cleanish look to the panels, please do take the trouble to view the gauges, knobs and switches at every possible angle and take on board the enormous work we put in to make them as true to 3d as is possible within FSX. And perhaps zoom in on the gauge facias and look at the reflections, glass effect, very subtle scratches and dust. Sometimes things are not obvious but reveal themselves when looking for a while. Meanwhile, it is not my place to compare with other aircraft. I can only urge you to look closely, and closer still, to appreciate the trouble we take to make our panels as functional and aesthetically as pleasing as possible. Thanks. Rob - RealAir

A Duke is not a KING

The Royal Turbine out performs the BE9L, a standard commuter. The RT Duke can go about the same speed as a BE20 (King Air 200) but not as high...