I own neither he mustang or 182 so my point may not be 100% valid. What is so new or what is so innovated with the 182 that makes it so epensive [sic]?

Guys, I just feel like saying: "Grow up!"What difference does another $10 make? Really!The 182 is a really well done, quality airplane, and you can buy it for half the price of a dinner for two, or about the same as a tank of gas,which is plenty affordable in my books.I'm with the previous poster who would like to trade in a bunch of $30 airplanes -which I do not fly any more..

Yes, doubtlessly you are in the process of unearthing someone with an "agenda". We have certainly all seen that movie before.

Thank you for saying this in public. I own the F1 182 and it is all I hoped it would be and more. I have in private ask that AVSIM shut this guy up. It is amazing that as a Commercial Vendor, he is the biggest trouble maker here and I long ago removed all of the Eagle Soft programs from my computer and would go back to Pacman before I would give them one more dime. There now I have said it in public.

May I suggest that you mind your own business and allow the question to be answered publically. I'll remind you that your posting have no more validity than mine.There are sound reasons for the question to be answered...

That's enough now! Geof has tried very hard to sort this thread out and been very thorough in pointing out our position. I also completely agree with him on everything said.You're not doing yourself any favors here, its best to take a deep breath and let things go. I don't see the point of continuing to stir-up trouble in this thread, just when things were starting to calm down. If this continues, I'm locking the thread.

Thank you for saying this in public. I own the F1 182 and it is all I hoped it would be and more. I have in private ask that AVSIM shut this guy up. It is amazing that as a Commercial Vendor, he is the biggest trouble maker here and I long ago removed all of the Eagle Soft programs from my computer and would go back to Pacman before I would give them one more dime. There now I have said it in public.

Wow, it sure gets personal don't it?:(

Ron,I am sure you don't mind when things are taken to the public - so I will do so (because non-public communication hasn't worked so far): For more than one year I try to get registered at the eaglesoft forums, because I own a couple of your planes and I would like to receive support on some issues I have (with the Citation and the Cirrus). However, although I tried to regsiter app. 4-5 times now, I NEVER got a reply back.So, in public I would kindly ask you to get this done.

Everyone please calm down. Best thing to do is stick to discussing the Flight one Cessna T182T which is what this thread is about.I'm not giving out anymore warnings. If things keep going like this I'm locking this thread and that will be that.

Everyone please calm down. Best thing to do is stick to discussing the Flight one Cessna T182T which is what this thread is about.I'm not giving out anymore warnings. If things keep going like this. I'm locking this thread and that will be that.

Thank you

Well, I just wasted 10 minutes reading 3 pages of disappointing argument as I have one question, can we buy it now? Also, I have never understood anyone complaining about a Flight 1 product price relative to pre-purchase. Honestly this is not directed to anyone in particular (call a class action observation) , but it sometime appears as if the '30 Day Return Policy' doesn't register as it is more fun to complain than give it a whirl. Bob.. )

Ron,I am sure you don't mind when things are taken to the public - so I will do so (because non-public communication hasn't worked so far): For more than one year I try to get registered at the eaglesoft forums, because I own a couple of your planes and I would like to receive support on some issues I have (with the Citation and the Cirrus). However, although I tried to regsiter app. 4-5 times now, I NEVER got a reply back.So, in public I would kindly ask you to get this done.

Darem, contact us at [email protected] and include forum username and we'll have a look.:(

Guys, I just feel like saying: "Grow up!"What difference does another $10 make? Really!The 182 is a really well done, quality airplane, and you can buy it for half the price of a dinner for two, or about the same as a tank of gas,which is plenty affordable in my books.I'm with the previous poster who would like to trade in a bunch of $30 airplanes -which I do not fly any more..

With the thought process such as this I guess we can expect to be paying 300 per addon in no time! Besides I see it as 20 bucks more. And if you are just being a smart arse with the Grow Up comment then that sure is the pot calling the kettle black. There is a difference between talking about the price of a product and whining that the world owes me something.

Jack,If you are a part of the "Tech Team" for a commercial developer why aren't you registered as a Commercial Member. And if you represent a commercial developer, as your banner appears to indicate, why are you not respecting Avsim's policy that one commercial developer may not bash another?Back to your point about the 182T and the Mustang, can I use the same logic of "dropping something in and double dipping" when it applies to 737s and 777s?If you are uninformed about Flight1's work with Cessna, then you might make such an erroneous remark. Just as I would be expecting a laugh at some repair facility if I asked if the G1000 from a 182T would just drop into a Mustang and save me a couple of $$$, so does the though that a custom programmed system made for the Mustang would just "drop" into the 182T. I don't thing the 182T comes equipped with FADEC, does it? Or dual engine display requirements?If YOU don't want to pay the asking price, fine. That is your option. To denigrate the product without trying it, based solely upon the price is uncalled for. Especially from someone who should be wearing an orange tag and should be respecting Avsim' policy of vendor bashing by other commercial members.FWIW, I will return to wearing an orange tag later this year. And you will NEVER see me commenting on other commercial products, unless it's done on a positive, personal opinion basis. For those vendors who produce products in the same genre as mine I will abstain.

Well, I have to admit, it is bloody good and I'm certainly going to keep it. So I'll own up here and say I was a bit harsh, and as I chomp on some tasty humble pie, I sheepishly adjust my 'way off the mark' price-wise comment to the reduced DEFCON level of 'a tad pricey for a Cessna, but certainly very nice'. Thus my 'I've never returned a Flight 1 product' record remains intact. So the score is: Flight 1 - Chock Nil, you might say.More specifically of interest to anyone considering giving it a shot: It has a lovely flight model. I know that sort of comment gets over-used a lot on FS forums, but I really do mean it, it flies beautifully, being very noticeably better than a good many other FS GA aeroplanes. It has a very nice 3D model too, with extremely good textures.Not really had time to check out the avionics properly (although they are very comprehensive for sure), which do impact frame rates a bit compared to your good old steam gauge Cessnas, but they're not as bad as I thought they would be and I certainly have other GA glass cockpit aeroplanes which eat up FPS more than this one. There's no doubt that it will give it the edge for some IFR fun and games.Al

Jack,If you are a part of the "Tech Team" for a commercial developer why aren't you registered as a Commercial Member. And if you represent a commercial developer, as your banner appears to indicate, why are you not respecting Avsim's policy that one commercial developer may not bash another?Back to your point about the 182T and the Mustang, can I use the same logic of "dropping something in and double dipping" when it applies to 737s and 777s?If you are uninformed about Flight1's work with Cessna, then you might make such an erroneous remark. Just as I would be expecting a laugh at some repair facility if I asked if the G1000 from a 182T would just drop into a Mustang and save me a couple of $$$, so does the though that a custom programmed system made for the Mustang would just "drop" into the 182T. I don't thing the 182T comes equipped with FADEC, does it? Or dual engine display requirements?If YOU don't want to pay the asking price, fine. That is your option. To denigrate the product without trying it, based solely upon the price is uncalled for. Especially from someone who should be wearing an orange tag and should be respecting Avsim' policy of vendor bashing by other commercial members.FWIW, I will return to wearing an orange tag later this year. And you will NEVER see me commenting on other commercial products, unless it's done on a positive, personal opinion basis. For those vendors who produce products in the same genre as mine I will abstain.

Not sure what you name is but Hi! Please read my very first line on my post. I DO NOT own the product so I said my comment may not be accurate. Please read everything I write. Man it is human nature to be very aggressive especially when identities can be hidden. The last thing I want to be is a hypocrite, so yes, I too can be aggressive sometimes. Like I have said before I am a "tell it the way it is" kind of person. I am not going to paint roses when crap is what I am thinking. (DISCLAIMER: Anything the wife says is true) I can not comment on ANYTHING about the 182 systems wise. Besides a price tag, I didn't denigrate the product one bit. Heck it might be the closest thing to a real plane for FS. One thing I do know is that there are many great addons on the market. I should know, I have 90% of them on my visa statement. What I do know is if you take 2 products, say one of the commercial airliners that are simulated almost to perfection and compare it to a C182, the airliner will win hands down everytime when it comes to man hours involved. You just don't have the systems, complexity, etc to compare a 182 to an airliner. So therefore a perfectly simulated 182 as opposed to a perfectly simulated airliner should be no where near in price.But yes you are right. I have the choice to not purchase it. But when someone says "hey for an extra 10 or 15 bucks more I can have an airliner" then what do you think they are going to choose (unless their heart is set on a 182 of course). But generally speaking I think commercial planes outsell general aviation planes by a huge margin in FS. So to sum that up, yes its F1's decision to sell it for whatever they want. But if they want to get the quantity as well obviously price has to be considered. As for my banner, I can remove it if you so please. No matter whose banner I have on my post, I will always have my opinion. And price has no reflection on saying if a product is crap or not. I wonder if you would agree with any of my statements if the 182 was 180 bucks?

Alan continues to give me reasons to trust his judgement and value his advice....well said, sir. And for the record and as a Flight1 Mustang owner, I love this little airplane with a G1000...well worth the expense in my opinion, which is no more than just that. Check out that fabulous Flight1 30-day return policy and try this one.

So therefore a perfectly simulated 182 as opposed to a perfectly simulated airliner should be no where near in price....But generally speaking I think commercial planes outsell general aviation planes by a huge margin in FS.

If your theory is correct, the airliner vendors have a much larger volume to distribute their costs over... :(