More specifically of interest to anyone considering giving it a shot: It has a lovely flight model. I know that sort of comment gets over-used a lot on FS forums, but I really do mean it, it flies beautifully, being very noticeably better than a good many other FS GA aeroplanes. It has a very nice 3D model too, with extremely good textures.

Al, can you elaborate on the flight model a bit, if you don't mind? What makes you say that it is noticeably better than other GA planes?I'm definitely interested, but at $50 it is a purchase I have to consider a little bit, with the current state of my finances. (And I'm not saying that it is priced too high, only that it is at the top range of what I personally can spend on an addon)/Tom

If your theory is correct, the airliner vendors have a much larger volume to distribute their costs over... :(

So what you are saying is in order to get more volume F1 should lower their price? I agree :(

So what you are saying is in order to get more volume F1 should lower their price? I agree :(

Nice try :biggrin:Let me add my thinking on this.. There is a market for reasonably priced products that appeal to the "got to have have one of those" buyer.. Probably a lot of $30 airplanes get sold, tried out, and later discarded. I know - I have bought a number of them myself.There is also a market for a more realistic, semi-professional product at a higher price point.It does not have more pizzazz, but just quietly shows that it was engineered to a higher level.In my experience, RealAir, RealityXP, and Flight1 operate in that market (for GA aircraft).It is up to each individual simmer to decide what products they ultimately want to use to enhance their flight simming experience - but it sure is hard to beat the Flight1 "return the airplane for a refund if you do not like it" policy..

I agree with you on that point Bert. In the end it is to each his own and we all place a different value on each product. My opinion was that 50 was too much and try to back it up with logic comparing it to a well done airliner. But in the end that logic wont work with someone who doesn't like airliners for example. But we each have our own money and spend it the way each one wants. Right now I am spending too much on my drums!

Al, can you elaborate on the flight model a bit, if you don't mind? What makes you say that it is noticeably better than other GA planes?/Tom

Kind of difficult to put my finger on it exactly, it seems to convey actually riding on the air a bit better than most of the GA aeroplanes I have for FS. I can't be certain, but I think it might be the aileron and rudder harmonisation from whatever values it is they've put on them, it just seems a bit more believable than a lot of other stuff. If you fly aeroplanes for real, I think you'd know what I mean if you tried it (and of course you could since Flight 1 is the land of refunds for unhappy buyers).I'll be honest with you though, I've only ever flown 172s and 152s, not the 182, although of course the 182 is basically a big 172 with a bit of 205 thrown in there, so I imagine it handles a lot like a 172, not that every 172 flies the same though.Al

Kind of difficult to put my finger on it exactly, it seems to convey actually riding on the air a bit better than most of the GA aeroplanes I have for FS. I can't be certain, but I think it might be the aileron and rudder harmonisation from whatever values it is they've put on them, it just seems a bit more believable than a lot of other stuff. If you fly aeroplanes for real, I think you'd know what I mean if you tried it (and of course you could since Flight 1 is the land of refunds for unhappy buyers).I'll be honest with you though, I've only ever flown 172s and 152s, not the 182, although of course the 182 is basically a big 172 with a bit of 205 thrown in there, so I imagine it handles a lot like a 172, not that every 172 flies the same though.Al

Al...I believe the feel you are describing indicates Pride, Quality workmanship, and attention to detail. :(

Not really had time to check out the avionics properly (although they are very comprehensive for sure), which do impact frame rates a bit compared to your good old steam gauge Cessnas, but they're not as bad as I thought they would be and I certainly have other GA glass cockpit aeroplanes which eat up FPS more than this one. There's no doubt that it will give it the edge for some IFR fun and games.

Interesting how this plane hits some systems harder than others. On another site the person commented that "I run an overclocked i7 [email protected] with a GTX470 and 6Gb RAM with FSX on an SSD. I find the smoothness of the PMDG JS41 to surpass Flight1's T182T here. Testing in FTX territories with my standard settings for the regions, I noticed some definite stuttering of gameplay, something not experienced in any other addon I have.". This person did return the product to Flight1.Regards, Mike Mann

4.3GHz here, smooth as a hot knife through butter.

4.3GHz here, smooth as a hot knife through butter.

Darem, check your mail.

I'll be honest with you though, I've only ever flown 172s and 152s, not the 182, although of course the 182 is basically a big 172 with a bit of 205 thrown in there, so I imagine it handles a lot like a 172, not that every 172 flies the same though.Al

I fly a 172SP every weekday morning and evening for work so I'm going to take advantage of the 30 day money back offer and see how it compares.Thanks for the heads up.Adam

It is a fun airplane although I'm encountering several bugs. :Applause:It is the first time I've seen and could hear bugs going 'splat' on the windscreen. :) I'm finding the FPS close to the Mustang which is quite flyable in all areas with the greatest hit around KSEA with the all the FTX north America areas installed. I'm going to keep this one as 90% of the time I'll fly it in rural areas. For FPS Comparison:100% UT2 traffic. Max Auto Gen outside FTX areas with normal inside. I just re-installed FSX and did not re-install UTX USA. The default scenery is very good with the addition of GEX USA. My frame rates have been much better after the re-install. Running external FPS limiter. (original version). Bob.. :)

I bought it and took it out for a short flight and got some first impressions.I definitely thought long and hard about firing off 50 dollars for this thing. Obviously the big question surrounding this plane has been if it is really worth $50. I can honestly say that if there wasn't the Flight1 refund policy in place as a safety net that I probably would not have put down the money for it. I think that the question has already been answered though. Some people love it and would buy it again and some won't touch it. So the answer is: it depends. I had a few questions that I wanted answered before I even tried the 182. Try as I might I was unable to find any clear answers so I just went ahead and got them for myself and I will share them so you can decide if it is worth 50 dollars to YOU. Note that this isn't intended to be a review.Q. "What all is included?"A. In the Flight1 forum postings there were some vague claims about 'surprises' and things that really add to the immersion but very little details. So the bugs on the windscreen have been widely documented. I actually didn't really care about this but it actually does add to the experience. I guess maybe if you have spent any amount of time in a real GA plane you get accustomed to having the splats on the windshield and having them there in the sim makes it feel more like home. But besides that... Maintenance mode with persistent wear? No. Would have loved something like that though. Would make the plane feel more like mine. Actually, there isn't much beyond the bugs besides some more switch sounds. There is selectable eye candy- plugs, chocks, covers... its all there plus you can add and remove both front seat occupants. Everything opens as well through either the axillary control panel or clickable handles. Nothing new or innovative here but it is well done and what you would hope for in that area. It currently ships with 3 paint schemes, all of which look good. The electrical system is fairly detailed with circuit breakers though I did not see any change in the load readings when turning on and off lights and systems like the fuel pump and pitot heat.Q. 'How does it run?"A. I have the Mustang. I love it. I also don't fly it much because my computer struggles with it to the point that while does run, the flying qualities suffer from frame rate dips. So was this going to be another Mustang? That was the burning question I had to be honest. The 182 does have one less display to eat up processing power so i gathered there was enough room for gain that it was worth trying and seeing. It DOES run better than the Mustang. Using FS GO I have a special profile for the Mustang when I fly it that strips out extra autogen and backs off other settings as well. Running the 182 for the first time I used my standard profile- one that leaves plenty of nice things to look at and makes FSX enjoyable and on most planes is very flyable. I also loaded up some real weather which happened to be a low broken layer with rain. The 182 remained flyable at all times much to my surprise. I noticed a little chop if I were looking out the side window at the ground but otherwise I flew around VFR below the clouds and flew the pattern when it came time to land. My definition of acceptable is probably different than a lot of yours' but considering the age of my system, my standards need to be a little lower. So on MY system, the 182 proved flyable using settings that would choke the life out of the performance if I were in the Mustang. Hopefully that answers questions regarding that.Q. "Isn't it just the Mustang G1000 put into a 182?"A. No, not quite. The PFD is inevitably very similar (but still very different). The autopilot is built in to it. I did not test the autopilot, like I said, this is not a review. Also, naturally, it has been tuned for the 182 with different V-Speeds and so on. Moving to the right of that is where it is a different animal. No huge MFD screen like in the mustang. Instead it is another PFD style display serving as your MFD. This is the standard layout for smaller aircraft with the G1000. This also means that you lack the keyboard that comes in the Mustang. That in turn means that all of your input is done via the knob on the MFD/Engine screen... which as it happens, is kind of a pain. Getting review-ish if I may here, the click spots around the knob are pretty difficult to use when making adjustments in the air. There are work arounds such as the 2D pop up or setting the autopilot while you concentrate more on the gauge inputs, but it is definitely a challenge to do while hand flying. Besides that, however, it works the same as the Mustang because it is still a G1000, and it is very, very good. And while I doubt that the whole thing has been re-programmed from the ground up, it would be unfair to say that it was simply ripped from the Mustang and thrown into the 182 with a little tweaking. There has been a bit more than that put into it.So, I like it. I like it a lot. I don't know if I am going to keep it. It is actually quite a dilemma. If I had plenty of cash to spare I wouldn't give it a second thought. As far as my opinion goes... the price is steep. Very steep indeed when you begin to compare it to other aircraft. It is most likely the most expensive GA aircraft add-on and by a long was as far as I am aware. There are a few things that do need to be considered in light of all that though. If I am not mistaken, the Flight1 G1000 uses Navigraph which I am sure they pay for which in turn you pay for in that 50 dollar price tag. It is also the only way to go if you want a Cessna single with a G1000. The default G1000 just doesn't compare.I am at a loss in some areas though. For the price some sort of maintenance module would have been a nice addition. The bugs are a neat novelty but aren't enough of an additional feature to warrant any additional cost beyond what is essentially your basic aircraft add-on with out so much as a load manager for extra features. It pins a lot on the G1000 then which on the Mustang was definitely an innovation and worth the money. Yes, the Mustang lacks all of the things I just said were missing from a 50 dollar add on for me but the Mustang is also a jet, with working simulated FADEC and more systems.It is a good plane. Nothing ground breaking but it is very well made, flies well and sports the best G1000 in the business. Is it worth the price... there is no right or wrong answer. Hopefully this helps some more people decide.

Very comprehensive read there, JetFueler. :smile:But I may add my opinion about the constant "need" of justifying the price of the plane. This won't lead to any usable outcome since not only preferences are different (which would alter the value impression) but financial limits are too. Those two variables alone will always end up in infinite "clear" opinions then, so why try to solve undoable things?The fine thing about the Flight1 system indeed is the trial option and if the quality and characteristics of the plane don't give you (speaking in general there) the impression to keep it for 50 Dollars, you can return it.

I think the bottom line both literally and figuratively speaking is; if $50.00 seems too high a price to pay for an addon then don't buy it. Some people can easily afford (or at least feel comfortable) spending $50.00 on a meal, yet there are many more that will have to content themselves with McDonald's.Regards, Mike Mann

Jetfueler, thank you for having taken the time to write this very interesting review. I also have the G1000 equipped Mustang and I am still on the fence for the 182 because of the steep price tag (yes, I know about the Flight1 refund system). A pity because if it had been 10 $ cheaper, as for probably many other potential customers, it would have been a no-brainer for me. 50 $ feels a bit like paying twice for a G1000 I already have in the Mustang...But well, I guess the guys at Flight1 know their market and wish they will sell lots of 182s