Don't need REX in xplane, the visuals are far better than what REX does to P3D or FSX

******* guys, can't we all enjoy whatever we want to enjoy? Why does everything have to be a pissing contest between XP and FSX? And this goes to both FSX and XP camps. Seems like every thread lately has to go this route and turn it into a soap opera.

 

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It's not a pissing match just a reality check. Cheers jja

if Jack, Chrissy and Janet can get along then fsx/fs9 and xplane can also :lol: http://youtu.be/j95PL1SlRxU

It's not a pissing match just a reality check. Cheers jja

 

:rolleyes: Well, I guess you told us, then.

IMHO XP10 is a new and good platform to start from and develop over. I own v8 v9 and demo v10. And major big change was made over v10.

 

Like other said, if PMDG will release 737 and others for XP10, all simmers will move to it. There is no reason to not do it. Then all other addon, we know, will follow.

 

PMDG said that will not look at P3D, so the alternative to FSX, and the NEW alternative would be XP10, a very good platform.

I still see problems. A complex add on can't be released until XPX is finished. Once finished XPXI will be out and PMDG has released an add on for an "old" XP version. Does that make sense?

Well you can do API versioning to mitigate that to an extent.

 

Moving to a subscription model would help too, personally would rather do that than th old buy a version model with all the hassle to the ecology that entails, look at CCP and Eve Online for how successful that is in terms of managing one codebase.

Can't really move to a subscription model until more fundamentals are in place ... I'm not sure the fundamentals are all in place yet. Also can't compare it to other products that don't have an SDK (like EVE Online). At this point in XP10 is likely going to develop with many "breaking" changes to either the SDK or the code ... this would break 3rd party products. 3rd party producers aren't going to keep changing their product every time a "breaking" change in XP10 is released (per subscription).

 

But the best way to move XP10 forward is to buy XP10 ... like I keep saying, it's an investment in the future of Flight Simulation and it doesn't imply exclusion of existing competing products. Last sales numbers I saw is that XP -- 5:1 on mobile devices but only costs $10 mobile vs. desktop sales at $70 ... so more revenue is still on the Desktop side -- this is a good thing for us desktop folk.

It's interesting to discuss what it "means" - because XPlane is not static and dead - it is continually morphing. Therein lies both an advantage and a problem. The discussion here has (rightly) foreseen that because xPlane continues to morph into later 'editions' (versions/iterations) - it makes things dicey for complex airplane developers. Yes, it makes things dicey compared to FSX- which stopped 'changing' about 6 years ago when Microsoft killed the ACES studio.

 

By the same token, the fact that xPlane continues to evolve is what makes it so fascinating. As in the line from the Frankenstein movie "It's ALIVE! It's ALIVE!"

 

A developer (like PMDG) has an OPPORTUNITY - yes, it would take a considerable amount of WORK - and no, they might feel it's 'not time yet' because of the litigation hanging over Laminar's head... but OTHER developers are selling payware (and giving away freeware) aircraft for xPlane RIGHT NOW. PMDG has a bunch of very smart guys- and they can see the MARKET for NGX (and the coming 777) would be greatly enhanced if their product were offered on BOTH FSX -AND- XPlane. I'd bet money that people who own NGX for XPlane 10 would not have a problem paying an upgrade fee to move to XPlane 11 and XPlane 12 when those products come to be. If you fly a plane as much as some of us fly the PMDG stuff, are you really going to cry and moan if you have to pay something to get the follow-up model when XP upgrades to an entirely new version? XP10 is considerably more powerful than its earlier versions. No one says anyone HAS to buy XP10 if they own XP9. That's a personal choice.

 

Smart developers would try to make sales to all platforms. Sooner or later, FSX may become simply overburdened. I myself can make FSX look pretty, but then the stutters and artifacts start spoiling the fun. Dialing-things-down just doesn't feel right- and why SHOULD we dial things down if we have high-end hardware? It's on the developers to build what we want to fly.

 

XPlane is a somewhat of a throwback to the early days of FSX - because the third party devs have had six years to build on FSX's 'static' (non-evolving) codebase, so we see highly-refined airplanes such as the beloved NGX and iFLY NG in FSX and nothing quite yet in XPlane that is on that level. The airports of FSDreamteam, the AivlaSoft Electronic Flight bag, FSInn, and more are (still) not present in XPlane, though doubtless sooner or later some of those will migrate.

 

And as someone else has stated, there is no reason you can' have all existing SIMS on your PC and go back and forth between them. I flew FSX last night for the first time in a few weeks. YES, I enjoyed the more robust controls of the NGX, YES, I definitely enjoyed FSInn live Vatsim ATC. YES, it was nice to be able to use all of my hardware panels from VRinsight on the NGX.

 

This morning? Back to XPlane. It's like the new girl you just met last week. She's nowhere near as polished and refined as your old girlfriend. She even has a couple of warts. Yet to paraphrase Jerry Seinfeld's buddy, Cosmo Kramer, "I can't look away!" There's just a different look and feel to XPlane. I wouldn't claim it's 'better'. I would claim it's NEWER and will continue to benefit from evolution. In four or five more years, I can't even imagine the level of flight and frames rate that we may experience from XPlane.

if Jack, Chrissy and Janet can get along then fsx/fs9 and xplane can also

 

Oh, wow! I could have gone the rest of my life without ever thinking of that show again. And now... :(

 

Scott

Oh, wow! I could have gone the rest of my life without ever thinking of that show again. And now... :(

 

Scott

:LMAO: :LMAO:

Like other said, if PMDG will release 737 and others for XP10, all simmers will move to it.

 

While I would agree that a major PMDG release for XP would help generate some movement, there are a lot of us who aren't into tubes and have other reasons for holding off on a switch. For my part, the interest level is slowly increasing but I'm still not to the tipover point - and none of my hesitation has anything to do with PMDG. B)

 

And while I do understand the arguments for doing both FSX and XP - well... time. The big factor for me is time. For now, I'd rather spend the limited sim time I have flying in the well-fleshed out environment I've currently built. But as things seem to be developing in the XP world, I expect I'll put a more serious toe in the waters sometime this year. And believe it or not, despite the occasional acrimony I do appreciate the critical comments and thoughts from users of both platforms. I know these conversations frustrate some, but they do contain value.

 

Hey, perhaps if I spent less time on Avsim...? :rolleyes:

 

Scott

Like other said, if PMDG will release 737 and others for XP10, all simmers will move to it. There is no reason to not do it. Then all other addon, we know, will follow.

 

Don't be so sure it's going to be the NGX. A while back when they first started looking into developing for XP10, they said their preference would be to develop a complex a model like the NGX first, but if that didn't work out they would probably pick a less complex model. Robert's last update on XP10 development, was that they had to change to a different aircraft, but didn't elaborate why! He just said, he thought the community would like the new one they picked.

If you fly a plane as much as some of us fly the PMDG stuff, are you really going to cry and moan if you have to pay something to get the follow-up model when XP upgrades to an entirely new version?

 

Unfortunately, I've seen many instances of that in the FSX world, when a developer charged for an upgrade from a FS9 version to FSX. Maybe some people would be okay with it, but I can tell you right now with full confidence that if that happened with a XP10 to XP11 addon upgrade, someone would get on here and cry about how it's an outrage and that the developer is nothing but a money-grubbing greedbeast.