Robert,

 

I wasn't referring to the other T7 developer (not THIS time, anyway), simply looking at a dilemma in general:

 

If you release a tad "too late", there will be customers asking "Why does it take so long?"

If you release a tad earlier, there will be customers asking "Why isn't this included yet?"

 

For my views on what the other developer stated clearly or has been stating not quite as clearly since, you might, if you want to, refer to my topics and posts in other forums on AVSIM.

 

And, of course, I agree to that "probably not looking back".

That's the kind of world we live in,everyone wants wants wants but unfortunately pmdg can't satisfy everyone.. I mean we have people complaining about getting the 200lr before the 200er.. just be happy you're getting a 777 in the first place.

Don't forget....no company, not even PMDG, will put out a 100% bug-free product. As great as the 737NGX is, PMDG still had to put out "hot fixes", and a service pack later on.

 

you must be kidding...

 

Well obviously fully working managed vertical modes and complete panel state saving is something we would expect from PMDG. Both of these are in my PMDG 747-400, and that is a very old plane, so I would expect these features to definitely be in the T7 as well.

 

Well obviously fully working managed vertical modes and complete panel state saving is something we would expect from PMDG. Both of these are in my PMDG 747-400, and that is a very old plane, so I would expect these features to definitely be in the T7 as well.

 

Well, you did not get it, apparently. Think sidestick terms Look back at the post.

The PMDG 737 for FS9 was my first payware add on ever. The NGX was the first FSX addon. I've owned everything they make (excelt the J41) and have her been disappointed. When they release it youll be safe knowing its going to be excellent and that any small problems will be worked out as quickly as possible.

The PMDG 737 for FS9 was my first payware add on ever. The NGX was the first FSX addon. I've owned everything they make (excelt the J41) ....

Y U No JS41?

 

Perhaps you need some inspiration.

 

 

 

 

I would never fly it. Not my cup of tea.

Not intending to be insulting, but this is really very ridiculous.  Most people who purchased the other 777, did for a very cut rate price because it was very clearly stated by the developer that the simulation was not a finished product.  If I didn't get it for a cut-rate price, I would not have purchased it at all.

The practice of releasing a "public beta" has been common for the last few releases by this other developer, but no one is forced to buy it (to my knowledge), and it is always clearly stated what you are getting, so everyone who buys it, does it with their eyes WIDE open so there is no regrets.

That said, everyone knows that PMDG does not release unfinished simulations.  They hold themselves to a higher Power, or..er Standard.  

I bought the other product, so I would have a 777 to use in FSX until PMDG releases theirs.  

That is exactly what I have.  It is flyable, I can fly it and it works (somewhat) ok.  About what I expect.  I am not disappointed, but if it had the name "PMDG" stamped on it, I would be VERY disappointed.

Eventually all of the bugs will be worked out of the other 777 and it will be near perfect to what it was intended to be (good, but not PMDG).  Only thing is, by that time, we will be flying PMDG's T7 and probably not looking back, except to the NGX.

FSXman

 

Well, i will admit temporary buyers blindness when i bought the other product, i did not see the development tag (again the blindness) so yes i was to blame, and i accept i made that mistake before checking properly, i did however bought the product at the full price at that stage, and was kinda peeved when it went just before release of V1.0 for only $10, i felt that i got royaly screwed, but hey i will write that off against "schoolfees" and wont make that mistake again.

 

Just to add that was the very first time that i have bought anything from that developer, and i can promise you that was also the last time, i dont care what they bring out next or how good the product is, it has left a bitter taste in my mouth and their customer support makes you feel if you are the cause of the problems!

 

Enough said, i hope i dont get banned for the comments above as we are not allowed to discuss other products here as per the forum rules, but i just needed to get it off my chest in reply to your post above.

 

I am really looking forward to the release of the PMDG 777, and hey yes there might be small bugs, and agree no-one can release something without a bug or two, but i very much doubt it will be even close the the same problems other have been having, thus my original post!

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Enough said, i hope i dont get banned for the comments above as we are not allowed to discuss other products here as per the forum rules, but i just needed to get it off my chest in reply to your post above.

 

I am really looking forward to the release of the PMDG 777, and hey yes there might be small bugs, and agree no-one can release something without a bug or two, but i very much doubt it will be even close the the same problems other have been having, thus my original post!

 

 

Come on, Marius, I'd given him a hint already to AVSIM threads where the "other" advertising and all has been discussed ...

 

 

Well, you did not get it, apparently. Think sidestick terms Look back at the post.

 

 

Thanks for bothering with my - rather absurd - post. And I like your phrase "sidestick terms"!

I've bought a few addons that are beta at best and always regretted it. A good example is an ATC program that has so many hiccups, it's unusable. Yet it's touted (and priced) as "the best". - and the danger is - if the dev runs out of money or ambition - the final release is sub-par and support is gone.

We're also at the risk that the dev is so proud of getting it functional, they call it v2.0 and ask for another purchase.

I'm done buying anything that's a work-in-progress.

 

PMDG handles it right. It's become cliche' around here - but when it's ready - it will be released. I like that.

 

the final release is sub-par and support is gone.

 

Hmmm. Been there once with a certain Bus that has gone down in a spectacular show of fire. First and only time I have bought something with the label "lite" or "full version to be offered later".

I've bought a few addons that are beta at best and always regretted it. A good example is an ATC program that has so many hiccups, it's unusable. Yet it's touted (and priced) as "the best". - and the danger is - if the dev runs out of money or ambition - the final release is sub-par and support is gone.

We're also at the risk that the dev is so proud of getting it functional, they call it v2.0 and ask for another purchase.

I'm done buying anything that's a work-in-progress.

 

PMDG handles it right. (...)

 

 

+1:

 

Buying work-in-progress - very often it's not even advertised as that, but as a completed product - puts you at a number of risks:

 

- product not to be finished at all ("Sim Captain's impressions of various aircraft")

- finished at an additional price ("evolution upgrade")

- not yet usable/reliable enough, e.g. for online flying ("Extended" version of a certain developer's aircraft)

 

Plus, there will always be a time lag between your money spent and the aircraft completed - which puts you into the position of a creditor, who has to look after (and sometimes FOR) their money ...

 

I was wondering about other developers than PMDG, who handle it right, but not so many fitting names came to my mind ...

I'm also sure the 777 will be on the top quality of other PMDG products - for example the MD11, in my mind is still up to date - knowing that this product was released in 2009!

Hopefully the 777 will also run on my pc, the MD11 runs without a problem.

 

When we talk about "unfinished" airplanes: Who knows what happened to the A380 of Next Level Simulations? I wrote them an email, never receiving an answer ^_^

Maybe PMDG will work once on an Airbus...

 

Alex

Ta...Ryan,

 

does the initial release include

 

- fully working managed vertical modes? :rolleyes:

- complete panel state saving including the state of the FCU? :rolleyes:

Please be advised - - that the Init B page has to be saved, too, as it can't be accessed anymore after reloading when engines are already running.) :rolleyes:

 

 

(I guess I better run now ...) :ph34r:

 

You're using a bunch Airbus terminology in a thread about a 777? Ok...

 

The 777 will have the full VNAV SPD and PTH modes, which are significantly different in their operational logic than they are on the 737NG actually - the 777 has a hybrid VNAV PTH mode where it uses the most optimal path type (geometric or idle) for the given path segment based on a bunch of different rules and variables. The state of the MCP will most certainly be saved and there's no such thing as an INIT B page you can't access after the engines are started on the 777. The full state of the FMC is saved with the panel state.

I think Olli was being, er, facetious Ryan. He is referring to the promises offered by a certain developers 'Extended' product that has not lived up to its promises in regards to system fidelity - something we never have to worry about with PMDG products

 

 

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