April 13, 201313 yr 'Aircraft narrowly misses children's orphanage'.... An orphanage on a boat, haha. Keep crashing them so they can keep buying them! When I was working in Honolulu they would stop in the FBO next to our maintainance hangar and they had 3 to 4 of those new airplanes coming every week. It's not surprising they have all these crashes when you watch them attempt just taxing the thing. Chris Miller
April 13, 201313 yr Something interesting i noticed from the pictures, the horizontal is missing... The plane is in two parts.. The elevator is under water.. Undershot indeed, according to passengers The plane Was suddenly in The water..
April 13, 201313 yr Give it 10 years and you will eat those words, I don't mind commenting on the crash itself, but don't make it political. World is a changing and like it or not, this is an emerging economy, other places in the world are in denial is all. Matthew Kane I'm Dyslexic, what's an error to you is not to me
April 13, 201313 yr what no witness reports of plane was on fire falling from the sky? thats a first :rolleyes: ZORAN
April 13, 201313 yr What a shame, they wrecked 2 months old aircraft. http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20130413-0 [color=#a9a9a9][size=1][size=4][img]http://forum.avsim.net/public/style_images/flags/rs.png[/img][/size] Lj. Prodanovic[/size][/color]
April 13, 201313 yr The airline had its licence revoked a while ago as the pilots wer meth heads.... LOL! ...unbeleivable. Lion Air is Indonesia's biggest airline in a country which, as an archipeligo relies heavily on air transport, and has announced a huge expansion with the purchase of hundreds of new aircraft.However, it's has been controversial, with numerous complaints about its pilots using methamphetamines and attenting "drug parties".the Indonesian Transportation Ministry sanctioned it last year because several of its pilots and crew had been found in possession of crystal methamphatamines."We have reprimanded the airline and revoked the license of the pilots and crew," the ministry's air transportation director general, Herry Bhakti Gumay, said at the time. Regards Luke M
April 13, 201313 yr Impressive for what is an effective ditching of the aircraft, glad no one was hurt... All the same, what a waste of a brand new aircraft... :mellow: Regards, Ró. Rónán O Cadhain.
April 13, 201313 yr I suggest that we all wait for the official verdict before criticising the pilots. Christopher Low AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU / 64GB DDR5-6000 RAM / 12GB Nvidia RTX 4070 Super GPU / Gigabyte X870E Aorus Elite Wifi 7 / 1+2TB Samsung Evo Plus M2 Nvme UK2000 Beta Tester
April 13, 201313 yr The plane is in two parts.. The elevator is under water..Undershot indeed, according to passengers The plane Was suddenly in The water.. you are right, there were very few pictures available right after the accident, but now new pictures have come out. this one clearly shows at least the left side of the stabilizer is in place: i hope the investigation will be fast to provide answers, it looks like all the evidence they need is there: the aircraft itself, flight recorders and the crew (and passengers) testimony.
April 13, 201313 yr From what I've heard on my company forums this looks like it was actually a ditching after dual engine flameout. Fair plé to the pilots for being able ditch it at such short notice, Sullenberger V2.0? Regards, Ró. Rónán O Cadhain.
April 13, 201313 yr Nice factual update, Ro. BBC News website are carrying a clip on it too. Rick Almeida
April 13, 201313 yr What's the source of that information? I mean, dual engine flameout at final (or earlier?) at 2 months old aircraft? Sounds highly unlikely to happen [color=#a9a9a9][size=1][size=4][img]http://forum.avsim.net/public/style_images/flags/rs.png[/img][/size] Lj. Prodanovic[/size][/color]
April 13, 201313 yr Moderator I am very glad that baring a few relatively minor injuries, everyone survived. As for the plane itself, some bondo and speed tape might put it back in operation... ...as a ground based, static trainer! :Cuppa: Seriously, there's bound to be a lot of servicable parts from salvage operations. Fr. Bill AOPA Member: 07141481 AARP Member: 3209010556 Avsim Board of Directors | Avsim Forums Moderator
April 13, 201313 yr What's the source of that information? I mean, dual engine flameout at final (or earlier?) at 2 months old aircraft? Sounds highly unlikely to happen Thought is that it was a fuel starvation / contamination problem or a bird strike. They were fine until about 300', but had the time to declare a mayday and call for brace positions, so they knew they were about to hit, it wasn't a CFIT. The Captain had over 10,000 hours at the time of the incident, so experience played a big part despite some of the initial criticism that came out about Lion Air being P2F . Info came from other pilots on the company forums, I'm just sharing it with you guys. Regards, Ró. Rónán O Cadhain.
April 13, 201313 yr Thought is that it was a fuel starvation / contamination problem or a bird strike. They were fine until about 300', but had the time to declare a mayday and call for brace positions, so they knew they were about to hit, it wasn't a CFIT. The Captain had over 10,000 hours at the time of the incident, so experience played a big part despite some of the initial criticism that came out about Lion Air being P2F . Info came from other pilots on the company forums, I'm just sharing it with you guys. Regards, Ró. Possible low fuel? Were they landing on minimums or fuel starvation like the BA 777 at LHR? Understandable if you haven't heard or can't disclose just wondering about if there was any chatter. Bird strike at 300ft and getting it down would be quite impressive. Interested to see the report on this one. Have a Wonderful Day -Paul Solk
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