Wow, I didn't know that it will be 2016 already, next year.

 

Time sure does fly when you are having fun.

Your assertion that it's 2016 is unconfirmed speculation and there are reports to the contrary. This has been done to death. I think it's out in the next year and a half. Your sarcasm is noted though.

Nevertheless... the bottom line is that poor performance of FSX isn't because of FSX, it's because of poor addon development.

So you're saying PMDG, Orbx, Flight1, Aerosoft etc etc devs are developing poor addons and don't know what they are doing?

That's very bold accusations.... :mellow:

 

Please make me a complex plane like the NGX with the performance of the Trike since it sounds like you know howto make good performing addons..And while your at it, make some good scenery that I can use with it wihout taking a performance hit ^_^

Question for those who have been with FSX since day one. Did this thing run right then? O r did it always require poking and prodding?

When I bought FSX on release day it was horrible. SP2 fixed a lot of bugs and increased performance.

 

It does require a few changes to get used to what works for you. I have 6 different saved cfg's for AI traffic, different LOD levels, and WX settings for OPUS.

 

Saved cfg's is the key. I can't have LOD 6.5 with payware scenery and planes, otherwise I get OOM's.

 

Again, tweaks are great, but you'll have to see what works best for you ... Trial and error.

 

Unfortunately, XP10 is the same way. But I've been enjoying that also while balancing settings and finding ones that work for me.

Well I decided to mess around for a few hours with NickN's latest settings (adjusted slightly for DX10 in the AA department).  I am actually very pleased with my results and spent most of my time working with Texture_Bandwidth_Multi and FFTF.  Results have been reduction in shimmers, significant reduction in stutters/pauses and generally a smoother flight.  I think the framerates are slightly higher, but honestly not 100% sure of this claim.  I think what I would say instead is that the framerates stay at 30 for a higher percentage of the time than they did before.  I have posted my settings for anyone who is interested.

 

 

Your assertion that it's 2016 is unconfirmed speculation and there are reports to the contrary. This has been done to death. I think it's out in the next year and a half. Your sarcasm is noted though.

No more than your unconfirmed speculation that PD3 2.0 will be released in 2014. At least I can point to some statements by LM themselves.

 

Thanks for the note though!

 

 

At least I can point to some statements by LM themselves.

 

Could you point me to where LM has said it won't be released before 2016? Link?

So you're saying PMDG, Orbx, Flight1, Aerosoft etc etc devs are developing poor addons and don't know what they are doing?

That's very bold accusations.... :mellow:

 

Please make me a complex plane like the NGX with the performance of the Trike since it sounds like you know howto make good performing addons..And while your at it, make some good scenery that I can use with it wihout taking a performance hit ^_^

I stated my professional opinion regarding addon development and how it impacts the base sim and what should be expected of a developer.  No more, no less.

 

I've already made a complex aircraft like the NGX (with exception of the 3D model and textures which I did not create).  Apparently you've missed that part... Eaglesoft Citation X v2.  I modeled all systems as well as the entire avionics suite, including it's own custom autopilot.

 

I don't do scenery.. wouldn't know where to begin.  That doesn't make my statement regarding a developer's obligation to ensure their addon doesn't destroy the sim's performance any less valid.

I've already made a complex aircraft like the NGX (with exception of the 3D model and textures which I did not create). Apparently you've missed that part... Eaglesoft Citation X v2. I modeled all systems as well as the entire avionics suite, including it's own custom autopilot.

 

And when I buy that plane you guarantee that it would not impact my SIM more than a default plane?

If not you're just where every other addon dev is, and the more of these addons combined(scenery and complex planes, weather, ATC etc) the performance goes down. Every little addon takes  a little performance and the more of them combined can make an huge performance impact.

That's just how things are, and I don't think it's because the devs make poor addons.....

 

And yeah I missed that part where you are the creator of Citation X v2,,,sorry about that..

And when I buy that plane you guarantee that it would not impact my SIM more than a default plane? If not you're just where every other addon dev is, and the more of these addons combined(scenery and complex planes) the performance go down. That's just how things are, and I don't think it's because the devs make poor addons.....And yeah I missed that part where you are the creator of Citation X v2,,,sorry about that..

 

I said " it's on the developer to ensure their product performs well".  You've reinterpreted that to mean it performs like a default aircraft, which are horribly simplistic in design.  Your reinterpretation aside, the Eaglesoft Citation X v2 performs well as far as frame rates are concerned.

Do you mean disabling ALL scenery entries apart from the ones you are flying above...? Does Asia get loaded when I fly in Europe then...? And which entries do you ALWAYS have to keep turned on? Is there a way of knowing what to turn on or off?

I read a document somewhere some time ago, I can't remember if it was Steve, Word Not Allowed, or NickN, where he said it helps to disable unnecessary scenery. It didn't make any sense to me too to be honest, and I actually opened a topic here on AVSim with that question. Many people suggested to use the Scenery configurator app. It seems to matter in loading times (Jim had to wait 25 minutes for a new flight with everything enabled LOL) so FSX must be doing something with it. Because when loading FSX knows where you want to start the plane from, right? Maybe it leaves something behind in the memory, I don't know, would have to test this myself.

The only thing i can really tell you is my own experience, but only having just 1 OOM before I'm hardly a good testcase ofcourse.

 

I think the most important thing is to have 4GB's free for FSX to use, and maybe some more for add-ons that run outside of FSX. An OOM is out-of-memory, so all you can do about that has nothing to do with your CPU/GPU, only your RAM. FSX can only use 4GB max, so you would need 6/8GB for FSX, Windows, drivers etc. 16GB's is of no use for FSX, so you can't solve it by adding more RAM.

 

Edit: Oh, your other question: only disable add-on scenery, so not the base packages, landclass etc. and remember to use FTX Central to disable/enable OrbX areas.

At least it helps in loading times, and it might help with OOM's, I might do some tests later on this.

I'm sorry to be blunt, but that's a bunch of hog-wash.

 

I'm flying on the west coast of the U.S. and FSX is loading scenery in Africa? Or I'm flying in China and the Caribbean is being loaded? Where does this stuff come from? Who the heck makes this stuff up?

 

I guess I'll go fly in Hawai'i and see if I can get high enough up in the air to see if I can see the Tokyo scenery that's being loaded...

 

Or wait, how about FSX is so slow because every plane is loaded, whether you are flying it or not. Makes sense to me!

 

No planes, only scenery. And yes, if you fly in the west coast of the U.S. your Africa, China and and the Caribbean will use VAS.

Why most of people's must be automatically skeptical every time when they hear something new? Download process explorer, load fsx with all scenery active and note how much VAS is in use. Then close fsx, de-activate all payware scenery and continents that will not be used, leave only two airports and one-two continents. Now start again process explorer and note how much is now in use... This is realy easy to check. And this is how all advices / tweaks should be treated instead of blaming FSX, ACES team etc...

 

There are 4 simple steps to folow to avoid OOM errors, i recommend them for some time here in forums: 

 

 1. Microsoft patch to increase heap limitation: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/947246

 2. Disabling all scenery, especially payware that will not be used for next flight. There is no need for more then 2-3 airports and two continents enabled for current flight. Get used to enable just scenery which will be used, every time before you start FSX using scenery configeditor https://www.dropbox.com/s/mikr1t69emo781i/SceneryConfigEditor-installer-1.1.1.exe

 3. Use of DXT optimized REX clouds

 4. Texture max load limited in FSX.CFG to maximum 2048, never above

 

p.s. i wouldn't set lod radius above default also

Could you point me to where LM has said it won't be released before 2016? Link?

Companies report when they are thinking about releasing software, not the opposite. For example, when LM hinted the earliest would be 2016, that excludes 2013, 2014, and 2015, for right now. If their timeframe changes I am sure they will let folks know.

But saying LOD radius doesn't affect the VAS I don't beleive :rolleyes:

And no I don't need any help, as Im perfectly satisfied with my FSX setup, just wanted to disagree with your saying that LOD doesn't affect VAS...That's all

Hi Kaboki, you were right about the LOD_Radius thing. I did some searching and lod_radius does seem to matter in memory-usage.

It didn't make sense to me because I have no problems with a higher setting with high-detailed scenery and the NGX (see the video I posted earlier), but it does seem to have a significant impact.

So you were right!

 

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So in that case, the only thing that could help is be making sure  to have enough RAM available to the sim. You can open the Windows proces manager and then Resource monitor under the [Performance] tab, and then check what processes and services use a lot of memory and/or CPU. Then check if you can kill them without any risk by googling the process or sevice.

Then use Alacrity to make a profile and start it before starting FSX. I know you don't have a problem with OOM's, I'm just writing down my conclusions so it might help others.

Can someone post a link to an FSX video that in their opinion is "smooth" so I can see if thats what I'm seeing in my sim.

 

Cheers

If what you see when you are looking at your is smooth, then its smooth!.

The only thing that looking a videos on Youtube will do is make you dissatisfied.

They are usually have post production enhancements including smoothing out stutters.

 

Its a bit like looking at some other guys girl friend and wondering why she is better looking than yours and what you can do about it!

And when I buy that plane you guarantee that it would not impact my SIM more than a default plane?

If not you're just where every other addon dev is, and the more of these addons combined(scenery and complex planes, weather, ATC etc) the performance goes down. Every little addon takes  a little performance and the more of them combined can make an huge performance impact.

That's just how things are, and I don't think it's because the devs make poor addons.....

 

And yeah I missed that part where you are the creator of Citation X v2,,,sorry about that..

 

Add-ons and scenery one has installed is not running at the same time. Everything loads up as your using it...