Yes I understand what you mean, but you have to disable some scenery to free up memory to be able to use that LOD level and enabling/disabling doesn't fit me(on shoe doesn't fit all) That your compromise and mine is that I don't want to disable/enable all the time depending on where I fly so I make a compromise not raising the LOD. Either way we get what we want and that is not getting OOMs B)

 

Nice video BTW

Yea I know what you mean and I agree

 

And thank you.

I wouldn't bet on it :lol: I take that post with a grain of salt. Kinda of reminds of a post awhile back where another user with an Extreme edition CPU(unclocked water cooled) claimed that he could max everything and the key to this was all in the RAM :lol:  

 

I think that's part of the issue--wanting run everything on the highest settings possible. I personally have my FSX settings tuned down. Although I get really great FPS, I don't have all the bells and whistles. I don't use the 2x high water shaders (I have mine on 2x low), tons of AI (planes, cars, boats, etc), or have a whole ton of autogen (autogen is capped with the CFG tweak).

DoubleJ, on 02 Jul 2013 - 10:07 AM, said:

Question for those who have been with FSX since day one. Did this thing run right then? O r did it always require poking and prodding?

If you bought FSX when it came out and used the default aircraft with medium slider settings (with the computers of the day) and no add ons you got good performance. Start with add ons and you have issues. Even the latest computers aren't a solution because of the way FSX runs and the newer add ons become more complex and numerous.

 

The solution is you need to make some hard choices.

The point of my post isn't to stake a claim that tweaks are worthless... but rather to point out that 'out of the box' with a proper system FSX-Acceleration will perform well. If you can't get that, there's something about your system that needs adjustment. Do I know what that is? Nope... but I do know that the software we're all running is identical in code and thus widely divergent performances must be directly linked to the system, not the software.

It's simple logic, to be honest.

So I'd say start with the base... and get the base (no addons) to perform correctly... and then adjust as needed for addons. However, if the base software is not performing well... there are no tweaks to fix it.

Oh, one other item... I have FSX on it's own SSD and my OS on it's own SSD.

 

 

The point of my post isn't to stake a claim that tweaks are worthless... but rather to point out that 'out of the box' with a proper system FSX-Acceleration will perform well.

 

Offcourse "out of the box" FSX performs very well on todays hardware. But most people have tons of complex addons and with these addons you can't have everything maxed and get good performance. Have to tweak and make some compromises with settings and stuff.

You should have explained that you ment "out of the box" when you reported that good performance and then it makes sense.

Offcourse "out of the box" FSX performs very well on todays hardware. But most people have tons of complex addons and with these addons you can't have everything maxed and get good performance. Have to tweak and make some compromises with settings and stuff.

You should have explained that you ment "out of the box" when you reported that good performance and then it makes sense.

 

When I upgrade to FSX all I'm going to have is detailed airports, global scenery (maybe photo in many areas like Utah), Activesky, AI at 20% (we really need an updated AI package like a Ultimate Traffic 3 or something), and only FSX designed aircraft like the PMDG NGX. That should keep me out of the crap-ola world of performance issues. Of course there's ENB Bloom and REX but that's cosmetic. FSX should look well enough as well. The machine I'll have is not on the market yet as I may do this next year so that should help (i7 1000, 16gigs of RAM or whatever's needed to get the sim to perform right out of the box).

 

 

Mork, on 03 Jul 2013 - 08:13 AM, said:

I would like to see an uneditted video just to see what it looks like (scenery's/weather/).

And if it is as good as he describes, I want to buy his computer instantly, lol.

 

@Dillon: I made a video some time ago. I only used fraps for recording, so no FS recorder or playback stuff.

I did edit out some cloudflashing and scenery build up after camera switching to make it nicer, but what you see is 'live footage' so to speak.

 

 

I'm sorry about the high bloom levels, i was still figuring out SweetFX.

I see nothing wrong with performance here. This is what I would hope for with my future setup.

The problem with P3D is that LM can remove public availability whenever they please.

That's not a problem - that's a fact. How'd Microsoft FSX work out for you? Oh yes!  They cancelled it and fired the programmers!

My point being that ANY developer can pull the plug at ANY time - that is not a valid reason for not buying the product.

 

Entertainment or non entertainment - it is available to anyone who has $50 - WITH a money back guarantee - it's worth a look is all that I am saying. Personally I find it faster, smoother and better looking than FSX but each person is different.

 

Vic

I have an inkling of an idea that when P3D V2.0 is released, it will be done with a change in the EULA, opening up a very interesting future for simming. Only a feeling... :wink:

I have the same feeling - one can sometimes read between the lines and get some very good info!

 

Vic

and minimize your active scenery in the library

 

Do you mean disabling ALL scenery entries apart from the ones you are flying above...? Does Asia get loaded when I fly in Europe then...? And which entries do you ALWAYS have to keep turned on? Is there a way of knowing what to turn on or off?

When I upgrade to FSX all I'm going to have is detailed airports, global scenery (maybe photo in many areas like Utah), Activesky, AI at 20% (we really need an updated AI package like a Ultimate Traffic 3 or something), and only FSX designed aircraft like the PMDG NGX. That should keep me out of the crap-ola world of performance issues. Of course there's ENB Bloom and REX but that's cosmetic. FSX should look well enough as well. The machine I'll have is not on the market yet as I may do this next year so that should help (i7 1000, 16gigs of RAM or whatever's needed to get the sim to perform right out of the box).

 

 

 

I see nothing wrong with performance here. This is what I would hope for with my future setup.

 

P3D 2.0 will be out by next year. I'd wait and see what becomes of it.

Do you mean disabling ALL scenery entries apart from the ones you are flying above...? Does Asia get loaded when I fly in Europe then...? And which entries do you ALWAYS have to keep turned on? Is there a way of knowing what to turn on or off?

 

All scenery you have scheched in scenery library will be loaded and will use memory. Disable all payware you are not using for curent flight and all continents which will not be used. This tool is very useful, you can review and enable / disable your scenery before you run FSX: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mikr1t69emo781i/SceneryConfigEditor-installer-1.1.1.exe

When I upgrade to FSX all I'm going to have is detailed airports, global scenery (maybe photo in many areas like Utah), Activesky, AI at 20% (we really need an updated AI package like a Ultimate Traffic 3 or something), and only FSX designed aircraft like the PMDG NGX. That should keep me out of the crap-ola world of performance issues.

 

 

That is what's gonna bring you into the crap-ola world of performance, and I bet next year you are making a similar thread like this struggling with performance :lol: And you'll have to step into the "dark arts" of tweaking, tuning, swearing and finally when it all makes sense you have never been happier

 

 

P3D 2.0 will be out by next year. I'd wait and see what becomes of it.

 

If I was in the similar position as Dillon I would also considered P3Dv2. I definitely gonna switch when it comes out B)

P3D 2.0 will be out by next year. I'd wait and see what becomes of it.

 

Wow, I didn't know that it will be 2016 already, next year.

 

Time sure does fly when you are having fun.

So... addons that one purchases destroy the performance of the base sim and it's the sim's fault?  I don't follow that logic at all.

 

When making an addon, it's on the developer to ensure their product performs well and if it doesn't then it's on the developer to correct the problem they've created and stop blaming the base code.

 

The Eaglesoft CitationX v2 has nine display screens (2 PFDs, 2 MFDs, 1 EICAS, 2 FMS screens and 2 radio tuning units).  They're all GDI+ screens.  They would, without knowing what one is doing code-wise, destroy frame rates.  However, as the developer I accepted the requirement that the code I write can not be allowed to destroy the base sim's performance.  The same should be required of all developers... even scenery.  If your scenery impacts frame rates significantly... then you need to rethink your process and find a way to eliminate the impact.  Anything less should be considered unacceptable by the community.

 

However, that's my opinion...

 

Nevertheless... the bottom line is that poor performance of FSX isn't because of FSX, it's because of poor addon development. 

All scenery you have scheched in scenery library will be loaded and will use memory. Disable all payware you are not using for curent flight and all continents which will not be used. This tool is very useful, you can review and enable / disable your scenery before you run FSX: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mikr1t69emo781i/SceneryConfigEditor-installer-1.1.1.exe

 

I'm sorry to be blunt, but that's a bunch of hog-wash.

 

I'm flying on the west coast of the U.S. and FSX is loading scenery in Africa? Or I'm flying in China and the Caribbean is being loaded? Where does this stuff come from? Who the heck makes this stuff up?

 

I guess I'll go fly in Hawai'i and see if I can get high enough up in the air to see if I can see the Tokyo scenery that's being loaded...

 

Or wait, how about FSX is so slow because every plane is loaded, whether you are flying it or not. Makes sense to me!

One thing is for sure:  there aint no cure for FSX...it is and remains fundamentally broken.

 

Hence I eyeball XplaneX, but IMHO it aint ready for Prime Time yet.