See, another one with an "I don't care" attitude.

 

If the sign says "No Swimming Allowed" there must be a reason for the sign. And if something were to happen they would be the first to file a suit.

 

If the EULA says "No Entertainment Use" there must be a reason for the limitation.

 

I'm with you here....well said.

See, another one with an "I don't care" attitude.

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Correct, I couldn't care less.

 

What I do is up to me and I certainly wouldn't broadcast it if I did something I shouldn't have.

 

If others break terms of an EULA then I couldn't care less about that either. It is absolutely none of business nor should I be doing anything about it. Legally or morally

Eh if Lockheed cared that much they probably wouldn't have gotten a community outreach guy to come to Avsim for over a year. They'd probably also do a better job checking to see if any of us are actually academics

Eh if Lockheed cared that much they probably wouldn't have gotten a community outreach guy to come to Avsim for over a year. They're probably also do a better job checking to see if any of us are actually academics

I completely agree.

 

They don't care who buys their product. They said it themselves. The EULA was made probably just to comply with the Microsoft ESP "license" requirements that were given to them. They don't have to enforce it.

 

 

What I do is up to me and I certainly wouldn't broadcast it if I did something I shouldn't have.

 

You already did.

 

 

 

They don't care who buys their product.

 

Shall I quote part of the P3D interview posted at FlightSim for you?

Ive bought it for both educational and entertainment use and sure as hell if they are willing to take my money off me, NOBODY is going to tell me I cant use it how I sit fit on any given day. Utter claptrap and much more important things in this world to worry about.

 

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You already did

I don't see how when I don't even own p3d yet and even if I did I certainly fulfill the EULA criteria anyhow

Shall I quote part of the P3D interview posted at FlightSim for you?

 

Sure! Why the hell not? I'm having a GREAT time discussing a worthless piece of writing that no one ever reads and just clicks "Accept" with everyone.

Ive bought it for both educational and entertainment use and sure as hell if they are willing to take my money off me, NOBODY is going to tell me I cant use it how I sit fit on any given day. Utter claptrap and much more important things in this world to worry about.

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Sure! Why the hell not? I'm having a GREAT time discussing a worthless piece of writing that no one ever reads and just clicks "Accept" with everyone.

 

""Vic, we are sometimes asked if Prepar3D can be used for entertainment. If you'd like to include a question about entertainment, here is an answer.

A: Lockheed Martin does not offer Prepar3D for entertainment, and we have no plans to enter the entertainment space. Our end-user license agreement explains that Prepar3D can be used for purposes other than personal/consumer entertainment. Our development focus is on learning and training.

We are sometimes asked where Prepar3D can be used. Location is not a consideration in the end-user license agreement; it only matters how the software will be used."

 

Then we wonder why Company ABC won't develop for PD3? Members like some above who refuse to follow "a worthless piece of writing".

""Vic, we are sometimes asked if Prepar3D can be used for entertainment. If you'd like to include a question about entertainment, here is an answer.

A: Lockheed Martin does not offer Prepar3D for entertainment, and we have no plans to enter the entertainment space. Our end-user license agreement explains that Prepar3D can be used for purposes other than personal/consumer entertainment. Our development focus is on learning and training.

We are sometimes asked where Prepar3D can be used. Location is not a consideration in the end-user license agreement; it only matters how the software will be used."

 

Then we wonder why Company ABC won't develop for PD3? Members like some above who refuse to follow "a worthless piece of writing".

 

If I had a product whose primary target group is militaries, government organizations, flying schools, etc..., I wouldn't market it as an entertainment product either. Just try to sell FSX+Acceleration as an accordingly priced training tool for naval aviators when a hundred thousand Average Joes and Janes are already using it - the Navy would turn you down flat. Now try to pitch ESP or P3D, which is basically the same thing minus some entertainment content in a new wrapping and it would at least enter the selection process.

Also, LM only added the student's license after some complaints about the initial pricing of P3D. Not the best move to keep the software to a very limited audience...

And, last but not least, you can buy P3D from their storefront without requiring to get into personal contact with one of their sales people (as done with, e.g. VBS aka Armed Assault for militaries). Tell me how that's barring yanyone from simply buying it.

Once again I am posting these remarks from David Roch, AVSIM Administrator banning the discussion of P3D EULA on the AVSIM forums.

Second are remarks from John Nicol, Lockheed Martin, on who can use P3D. I certainly believe Mr. Nicol over all these "arm chair lawyers".

 

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Posted 11 October 2011 - 02:14 AMGents, From now we won't allow any more comment on the legal aspect of Prepar3D.Discussing here about the deal between Microsoft and Lockheed Martin without any basis is useless and sterile.Avsim is not a lawyer school and all those groundless speculations and comments are inappropriate and out of place here. Thanks to John Nicol, we have a fantastic opportunity to interfacing with LM developers, we shouldn't waste it because of legal stuff that isn't in our hands.Thanks for understanding.

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Posted 06 September 2011 - 04:50 PMSekstifire, on 05 Sept 2011 - 5:43 PM, said:

Sekstifire, on 05 Sept 2011 - 5:43 PM, said:

Prepar3d is basically FSX, Lockheed bought the IP rights to the code from Microsoft. Lockheed are not allowed to sell it to consumers tho, so the asking price is really high. Its basically exactly the same as FSX, except that it costs 10x the amount of money. And that Lockheed is developing it (I think they added some sort of submarine logic, not sure if they have added anything for flightsimmers yet)

Hi, Just to be clear (and trying not to sound defensive!). Anyone can purchase Prepar3D. We do not sell it as an entertainment product and the EULA talks about that, which means that it will not be appearing on the shelves of Best Buy next to Call of Duty any time soon..... I am not sure where the rumour started that we sell only to certain people, but anyone can buy it. It isn't about consumers, but end-use. If you are a pilot, simulation user, student, whatever and want to use it for familiarization, training, taxiing over bugs then go for it. If you are 10 or 110 it doesn't matter. If you want to use it at an arcade game, then buy something else. You can go to our website and purchase it with a credit card and download it. The commercial license version is $499 and we have added a considerable amount of features and made a lot of bug fixes to the code that we were fortunate enough to procure from Microsoft. A list of features can be found on our website at www.prepar3D.com. We certainly have added in bathymetry data to allow the use of submersibles and we have added in a few features for hard-core users that they should find interesting including true multi-channel (spreads the load of the image generator across multiple PCs), update to DirectInput 8 to allow up to 32 axes and 128 buttons per joystick, sensor views (night vision and infra-red), updated landclasses, GPS upgrades and so on. We have also updated and improved the SDK documentation and added more samples for developers. We are also going to be releasing an update version 1.2 of Prepar3D and the SDK in the next few weeks. Those that are looking to test, integrate, develop, investigate etc and therefore do not require a full commercial license can subscribe for $9.95 per month and receive 2 copies of the software. That is an option that many people are taking and I would be glad to see more people come on board and see what they can do with the app! There are no restrictions to joining the developer network. If people are using Prepar3D for commercial activities, then switching to the commercial license is appropriate and required. For Victor, sorry that the website isn't clear enough. I will work with Lockheed communications to try to get some clarity on that. We are just a bunch of engineers and not necessarily the best at marketing!! Regards,John NicolPrepar3D.

 

 Enough??

Whatever John Nicol, or anyone else, may have said is trumped by the EULA. The EULA says so.

You kids make me giggle... :rolleyes:

I've always said that FSX itself, had a lot more simulation to it, than just a game. When another sim is marketed as a simulation, and FSX is said to be just a game in comparison, it's laughable. Games never went to the trouble of supplying real world data bases, as MSFS did. Microsoft went all out with Jeppeson databases for it's Flight Simulator 2000. MSFS also had a lot of us RW pilots on it's beta testing. I tested through three versions myself.

 

Therefor anytime someone fires up P3D, they are getting somewhat of a learned education, whether they think they are, or not.

Seeing that a lot of the more recent add-ons will work with and are supported by P3D, I am looking forward to see what v2 brings to the table.