Why wait? You will get the fixes at the same time as current users. In the mean time you are missing out.  The 777 is in great shape already, most of the things being fixed are fairly minor. As for performance, on my very modest system it runs really well, better than the NGX if anything. It took a little while getting used to minimising the virtual address space (VAS) required by FSX to ensure the 777 has enough room to load and run properly and so avoid OOMs. Having got this sorted out, and it isn't difficult, I haven't had an OOM since. This issue is unlikely to be resolved by any patch, though some resource tuning has been promised.  It is what it is. So the sooner you get used to it the better. As Kyle said in post 7 this is for individual users to fix using PMDG's advice in the manuals, and help on the forum.

 

The VAS issue affects all users, it's nothing to do with how good (or bad) your system is.  Reducing VAS usage benefits other addons too, so it's a worthwhile exercise. It's like putting FSX on a diet.

I do not know why people with bugs with the PMDG B777X are constantly replied on the PMDG forum that "it is due to your system". It is due to your hardware configuration. PMDG has a perfect product? So it is all our fault?  There are some bugs with the PMDG B777X already found. The most common one was with the "cold and dark" cockpit start up state and the switch between plan and nav in the ND if I remembered correctly. Actually I am now getting bored with the B777X and now have to wait for the expansion pack. But I also know that we need to give PMDG some time to work out the growing list of bugs with their just released B777X package and get it right before the expansion pack for the B777-300ER is released.  They have to be more honest with their potential customers and admit that with all software releases there are bound to be some teething issues. Cannot be just keep blaming the customers that it is due to their hardware configuration. With more and more posting problems with their US$90 PMDG B777X product, do not think so that it is just the hardware configuration that is causing the problem. They might have to revisit their own coding and look at what is causing their product to conflict with MSFS X.

 

Regards,
Darren

Issues are no show-stoppers and either easy to work around them (like "stuck" frequencies in cold&dark) or to ignore them (like the Master caution light in cold&dark).

 

If you want this simulation, get it now - it won't be cheaper in half a year and a boxed version will likely take about the same time.

Buy  it. Should take you a year to read the manual, by then your ready to fly without asking pesky questions and the patch will be out

 

just kidding (except the pesky question bit  ) buy it! the minor bugs some get wont stop you enjoying this bird!

It's the only reason why I keep FSX installed .... I have an i5  3,3GHz, a 1GB GTX 650 Ti GPU, and all it-s fine... Onlye default FSX scenery, a good weather injector, no more addons ... wel, I do have a fe other, but their DLLs are disabled in DLL.xml...

I do not know why people with bugs with the PMDG B777X are constantly replied on the PMDG forum that "it is due to your system". It is due to your hardware configuration. PMDG has a perfect product? So it is all our fault?  There are some bugs with the PMDG B777X already found. The most common one was with the "cold and dark" cockpit start up state and the switch between plan and nav in the ND if I remembered correctly. Actually I am now getting bored with the B777X and now have to wait for the expansion pack. But I also know that we need to give PMDG some time to work out the growing list of bugs with their just released B777X package and get it right before the expansion pack for the B777-300ER is released.  They have to be more honest with their potential customers and admit that with all software releases there are bound to be some teething issues. Cannot be just keep blaming the customers that it is due to their hardware configuration. With more and more posting problems with their US$90 PMDG B777X product, do not think so that it is just the hardware configuration that is causing the problem. They might have to revisit their own coding and look at what is causing their product to conflict with MSFS X.

 

Regards,

Darren

 

 

I guess you quoted me accidentally?

 

I neither said there are no bugs nor did I say that any bugs observed are due to users' systems.

 

My point was about existing bugs which are not as severe as to call them show-stopping ones ... IMO.

I do not know why people with bugs with the PMDG B777X are constantly replied on the PMDG forum that "it is due to your system". It is due to your hardware configuration. PMDG has a perfect product? So it is all our fault? There are some bugs with the PMDG B777X already found. The most common one was with the "cold and dark" cockpit start up state and the switch between plan and nav in the ND if I remembered correctly. Actually I am now getting bored with the B777X and now have to wait for the expansion pack. But I also know that we need to give PMDG some time to work out the growing list of bugs with their just released B777X package and get it right before the expansion pack for the B777-300ER is released. They have to be more honest with their potential customers and admit that with all software releases there are bound to be some teething issues. Cannot be just keep blaming the customers that it is due to their hardware configuration. With more and more posting problems with their US$90 PMDG B777X product, do not think so that it is just the hardware configuration that is causing the problem. They might have to revisit their own coding and look at what is causing their product to conflict with MSFS X.

 

Regards,

Darren

The fact is the biggest problem with the 777 are the OOMs due to the VAS size limit in a 32 bit application. Getting around this problem is up to the user to configure their FSX options. PMDG can't do this for you. There is no conflict between the 777 and FSX. The 777 is a more complex sim and needs more memory. The 777 is pushing the limits that FSX can handle. That isn't a bug. You are right about one thing: it's not your hardware configuration.

 

Other bugs are very minor and don't make the sim unusable. PMDG have been very honestabout all this and never claimed it would be a bug free release.

To be honest, I really think the performance issues are just from the end user's configuration of their system more than anything. Froogle has a video up where he mentions similar.

+1.

 

In fact the fps is better on my system but not as smooth as the ngx but no reason not to buy it. Its top quality

 

 

Michael Moe

The only strange issue I've noticed is when I got a "pilot response" message and I couldn't extinguish the Master caution light by pressing it. No crashes so far (well, some tail strikes...) and performance on par with the 737NGX. Absolutely no reason to wait - you know you will end up getting it anyway!

All PMDG products (NGX, 777, MD-11, 747) have problems with mouse pointer which will hit your system hard, 5-8 FPS when the cursor is on the screen.

 

They keep saying that this is a FSX problem, but it's not, I have other high quality products and never saw this mouse problem, so they must work harder to find what is causing this!!!!

Thanks Darren...If PMDG 777 was real, we will be dead by now....It keep crashing. I hope they fix the EFIS switch to plan issue....soon. Not flying it and I have not tried since.

 

For my $90 investment.

Regis

 

 

I do not know why people with bugs with the PMDG B777X are constantly replied on the PMDG forum that "it is due to your system". It is due to your hardware configuration. PMDG has a perfect product? So it is all our fault?  There are some bugs with the PMDG B777X already found. The most common one was with the "cold and dark" cockpit start up state and the switch between plan and nav in the ND if I remembered correctly. Actually I am now getting bored with the B777X and now have to wait for the expansion pack. But I also know that we need to give PMDG some time to work out the growing list of bugs with their just released B777X package and get it right before the expansion pack for the B777-300ER is released.  They have to be more honest with their potential customers and admit that with all software releases there are bound to be some teething issues. Cannot be just keep blaming the customers that it is due to their hardware configuration. With more and more posting problems with their US$90 PMDG B777X product, do not think so that it is just the hardware configuration that is causing the problem. They might have to revisit their own coding and look at what is causing their product to conflict with MSFS X.

 

Regards,
Darren

To summarise my experience I'd say this is an outstanding simulation provided you are willing to accept that it is a "fair sky plane", should you happen to fly - like I do - in Asia in regions with heavy overcast, you are in for a single digit slideshow, whereas the NGX behaves quite well with very little impact in the same conditions. VAS is obviously a concern with or without limiting the number of active sceneries and depends again on the weather.

 

Having said all this - and if you don't care so much about those limitations -, the still existing bugs are not necessarily spoiling your pleasure once you know and avoid them.

To summarise my experience I'd say this is an outstanding simulation provided you are willing to accept that it is a "fair sky plane", should you happen to fly - like I do - in Asia in regions with heavy overcast, you are in for a single digit slideshow, whereas the NGX behaves quite well with very little impact in the same conditions. VAS is obviously a concern with or without limiting the number of active sceneries and depends again on the weather.

 

Having said all this - and if you don't care so much about those limitations -, the still existing bugs are not necessarily spoiling your pleasure once you know and avoid them.

 

Ive flown the T7 in plenty of overcast weather, thunderstorms, fog, etc and has not been a slideshow here.  In face the NGX performance is not as good as the T7.  In all about 350 hours in the 777.  All at detailed add-on airports like fog at IAD, overcast at MUC, heavy haze at LAX, thunderstorms at HGK, and even a sandstorm at DXB.  Always above 20 FPS.

 

All I know is between all the hardware combinations matched with software settings such as FSX settings, weather settings, tweaks used, texture sizes, etc etc any T7 user mileage will vary.  And therefore IMO unfair to tell someone such as you have told them of being a fair weather aircraft as if no one here has ran it reasonably well to very well in poor weather. 

 

What you're saying is like saying you went out on a difficult hiking trail only putting in 15 miles that day and anyone else hiking it must be willing to accept they won't do better then you.  Their pack maybe lighter (softer used settings) , be in better shape (better PC), etc.  Again mileage will very with T7.

I am one of those on the side that has no issues with the 777. I love it and fly it all the time. I get better performance with it than the NGX. I say get it now and hope your system can handle it. Well worth it if it does.

 

 

Justin whetstone

What you're saying is like saying you went out on a difficult hiking trail only putting in 15 miles that day and anyone else hiking it must be willing to accept they won't do better then you.  Their pack maybe lighter (softer used settings) , be in better shape (better PC), etc.  Again mileage will very with T7.

 

Please read my first post quietly - and without passion - where I say "my experience", and see my Sim and PC specifications, if yours is/are better good for you, enjoy your sim and simply report it accordingly, ultimately let the OP forge his own opinion.

 

I am not submitting myself to a trial but offer an opinion to a fellow simmer (who asked for feedback) based on a personal experience. These fora are becoming more and more difficult for individuals to voice their honest opinion without exposing themselves to aggressive stands from some participants. This is a hobby, not a political forum.

 

As for hiking, I am at your disposal any morning (privilege of being retired), see where I live, I usually use a light bag!

Ive flown the T7 in plenty of overcast weather, thunderstorms, fog, etc and has not been a slideshow here.  In face the NGX performance is not as good as the T7.  In all about 350 hours in the 777.  All at detailed add-on airports like fog at IAD, overcast at MUC, heavy haze at LAX, thunderstorms at HGK, and even a sandstorm at DXB.  Always above 20 FPS.

 

Sure you can. With low radius, low resolution clouds, lowered scenery and autogen sliders... what's the point of that? Some of us spend a few thousand dollars on a system specifically to run fsx, why would I degrade the visuals just because one addon is designed to push everything to the limit? Is it really worth the dozens of animations, the useless virtual cabin, or maybe the reflections of the strobe lights on the ground?