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Ouch - always a fan of Buffalo Joe...

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Regards,
Scott

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There was already episode with Transport Canada of this in past, I don't remember which season I saw it.

But keeping standard safety with those old Iron it's nearly impossible.

Canada it's not a wild government like some country in Africa or Asia

In some season, Joe McBryan try to find parts for the DC3 all over the world, is nearly impossible to find parts that can be used in safety.

It's just vintage collection.

It's time for Joe to sell some old best and buy some Bombardier.

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Only saw the show a couple of times, kinda assumed the teeth-suck-inducing moments were staged.  Guess not....

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I flew the Curtiss C46 for a few years hauling auto freight out YIP in the late 70's and it was an interesting experience.I was far more concerned about getting hurt from preflighting like slipping and falling off a wet wing in the dark or opening and closing the cargo doors.They were old birds and something was always breaking like losing a magneto etc. but for the most part it was no different than running around in an other piston freight hauler except you got really good at ground handling and crosswind take off and landing.In the time i was there one crew blew an engine and had a short fire incident, a few inflight loss of oil pressure and return for landings were the worst incidents.I was in my mid twenties at the time and it was an adventure I was glad to have experienced before it was all gone.Where they get parts and people familiar with maintaining them would be a real issue today.

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I assume it's pretty hard to keep those DC-3s to today's safety standards. 

Maybe for the best...

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I don't remember where I saw it but seems I read not too long ago there was a company in South America that makes parts for the Three. For certian missions seems an irreplaceable machine.

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Just as 3D Printing technology is getting better, replacement parts could be made but I guess not quite there yet.

 

I agree time to buy older Dash-8's and 737's with the gravel kits. Surplus C130's would make a great cargo plane as well but expensive to fly.

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They'll be back with the same old aircraft doing the same old thing that they have done for the last 40 or so years.

Transport Canada is a Joke!! The system needs a total overhaul!

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It deserved to be grounded if it can't meet the safety standards.

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They'll be back with the same old aircraft doing the same old thing that they have done for the last 40 or so years.

Transport Canada is a Joke!! The system needs a total overhaul!

That's the point. As long as they are the governing body, the air carriers MUST follow the guidelines or be grounded. If the system is screwed up, then go through the proper steps to change it but, in the meanwhile, follow the rules.

 

If everyone ignored a rule that they felt was not right, we'd have chaos in the skies and everywhere else.

 

Just MHO,

 

Vic

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Sounds like it could be more than just violations of regs and has turned personal. TC may not be perfect, but making them look bad on TV isn't going to help your cause.

 

http://www.myyellowknifenow.com/10588/inside-buffalo-airways-suspension-whats-happening/

After reading that article, I'd say it is 25% procedural, 75% personal issues with Joe.  Government agencies should not single out individuals for such things, but it does happen.  I get the feeling that if Mikey fired his father, packed his bags and shipped him to another province, TC would lift the suspension on Buffalo Airways.

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Government agencies should not single out individuals for such things, but it does happen. 

 

Except there is absolutely no proof that is the case. The article is written based on subjective opinion from a very biased point of view of someone paid directly by Buffalo Airways.

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It deserved to be grounded if it can't meet the safety standards.

Safety standards are great to a point but,you can't hold 60 and 70 year old planes to the same standards as a new Airbus. Most GA aircraft aren't kept to safety specs I knew a mechanic who if you gave him $500 would sign off on your annual with just a glance at the plane. We didn't use him because keeping our plane in top shape is a priority but to other it isnt. Another example is a guy at our local airport took a 172 flying that had been sitting in a hanger for 6 years without even being started no annual either,the problem is that the FAA certification process is so expensive that many GA pilots skimp on maintenance a simple part like an alternator for a car is $100 while the same part for a plane,like littery the same part number but with a certified stamp costs $700.

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Safety standards are great to a point but,you can't hold 60 and 70 year old planes to the same standards as a new Airbus. Most GA aircraft aren't kept to safety specs I knew a mechanic who if you gave him $500 would sign off on your annual with just a glance at the plane. We didn't use him because keeping our plane in top shape is a priority but to other it isnt. Another example is a guy at our local airport took a 172 flying that had been sitting in a hanger for 6 years without even being started no annual either,the problem is that the FAA certification process is so expensive that many GA pilots skimp on maintenance a simple part like an alternator for a car is $100 while the same part for a plane,like littery the same part number but with a certified stamp costs $700.

I would say that is not the current state of affairs in general aviation.There will always be a few renegades in any industry that cheat or disregard the regulatory process but they a few and far between.A simple call to the local FSDO will put a stop to that activity.Any good A&P will refuse to sign off an inspection or work that it not compliant.Are you really going to use hardware that is not certified when your life is dependant on it?

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I would say that is not the current state of affairs in general aviation.There will always be a few renegades in any industry that cheat or disregard the regulatory process but they a few and far between.A simple call to the local FSDO will put a stop to that activity.Any good A&P will refuse to sign off an inspection or work that it not compliant.Are you really going to use hardware that is not certified when your life is dependant on it?

I don't use non certified parts but for something like an alternator which if it fails you can continue the safe operation of an aircraft I think jacking the price up $600 is a bit crazy.

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I don't use non certified parts but for something like an alternator which if it fails you can continue the safe operation of an aircraft I think jacking the price up $600 is a bit crazy.

I absolutely agree that it is aggravating to have to pay 10 times more for a certified part than its non-certified equivalent - (assuming that both are identical in all other regards). That has everything to do with the insurance that approved parts suppliers have to pay to defend against potential parts liability lawsuits.

 

On the other hand, one must be extremely cautious to insure that load-bearing structural parts (bolts, fasteners etc) are supplied only by legitimate suppliers and are fully certified for aviation use. There have been many instances of aircraft accidents caused by failure of non-approved fasteners that may have physically been the right size for a particular application, but in no way met the material specifications for tensile strength etc. intended by the engineers who designed the structure where they were used.

 

The so-called mechanic who "pencil-whips" annuals for a few hundred dollars should be reported to the FAA. That is inexcusable, and any individual who does so not only deserves to have his license permanently revoked, but should also face criminal charges, fines and jail time.

 

Airworthiness standards are airworthiness standards - and any aircraft that flies must meet them, no matter how old it may be. It is an unfortunate fact that the older an aircraft is, the more intense its maintenance requirements become. Metal fatigue, corrosion, embrittlement or deterioration of rubber and plastic parts - all contribute to the problem.

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The so-called mechanic who "pencil-whips" annuals for a few hundred dollars should be reported to the FAA. That is inexcusable, and any individual who does so not only deserves to have his license permanently revoked, but should also face criminal charges, fines and jail time.

He got caught a few years back after he signed off a plane that got sold with a bent wing spar.... The FAA gave him another chance and he is meticulous with record keeping and maintenance practices now.

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but for something like an alternator which if it fails you can continue the safe operation of an aircraft ...

Safe?? While possibly you are in IMC at night?. I don't think you know much about reality of GA accidents.

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Safe?? While possibly you are in IMC at night?. I don't think you know much about reality of GA accidents.

My point is if it fails it's not going to immediately cause a crash or forced landing like a engine failure,fire or structural failure. If you loose an alternator at night you declare an emergency find the nearest airport with an approach (if necessary). Then start shutting down everything you don't need lights interior and exterior and use a flashlight to see the gauges,secondary radios,even your primarys if you can get down into VFR,and land the engine will keep running off the mags. Your battery will hold out for sometime if your just running the basics.

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Your point is that pilot should never make a mistake, but they do, or that they should react coolly to a perfectly survivable in-flight emergency, but often they don't, a trivial thing like a door ajar by about 2" in flight killed one person in a Bonanza and 4 people on the ground. Therefore word 'safe' has no business here, it is actually silly. Since my life as a GA pilot might depend on an alternator - I rather take the expensive version, but if possible I take two (many Cirruses have 2).

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