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My bad for not following the basic approach of install one add-on, test, then install another add-on, test, etc.  I didn't do that because with P3D 2.3 (my former version until a few days ago) I never had to.

 

After a PC meltdown which turned out to be the drive P3D lived on became unbootable, but tested out fine, so did a wipe and reinstall of OS and P3D.   Did a bit of flying until I decided to get on w/ install of FTX Global, FTX NCA, one FTX airport, REX E+ and finally Estonia MT's provisional P3D version 3 build in order to get the FSGenesis West Coast mesh installed.  Finally, RealAir's Turbine Duke--all of these except EMT had installers for P3D version 3 and I had downloaded the latest of these.

 

Not too long after initiating any flight, most from the same airport in my home town in the NCA region, the sim would lock up and necessitate a hard shut down.   Odd beeps happened and it reminded me of having IRQ conflicts or something from decades ago.   I wondered if maybe something else beyond the corrupted MBR on the SSD was happening hardware-wise.  So I removed everything P3D--all of the add ons, P3D, etc.  Then re-ran the Intel Desktop Processor Tool and Prime95--both passed just fine.   SMART evaluation looks fine on the SSD involved as well as AIDA64's drive read suite of tests.  I've used 2.3 flawlessly since 2014 and have lots of experience w/ setup and configuration of everything.  So I'm stumped again.  Have no idea if it's something to do with any of those add ons.  I started by uninstalling EMT, retest, P3D still would run for a few minutes then seize up.  Same same for REX E+, then Turbine Duke, no improvement so finally gave up and as I say removed everything and will start over again and give it one more try.  

 

So if you will, is it considered safe to install P3D version 3 with these allegedly version 3 compatible add ons?  I really have no idea what went wrong.  Probably should have tested everything BEFORE I added the Estonia tool.   Anyway, a sad introduction to version 3 which I was very much on the fence on installing, quite frankly for fear of having to deal with this sort of thing.

 

Thanks in advance--I know it could be just about anything but if you have some ideas about what is proven to work w/ version 3 that would be great.  Did not install Vector, just the add ons mentioned above.

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Is it just P3D that hangs (i.e. can you run other programs/games successfully)?

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I don't use EMT - you should use the native installers where possible - or just accept some products won't work in P3D v3 (yet)

 

I can't say if this is causing your problems though

 

Does vanilla install work fine?

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My bad for not following the basic approach of install one add-on, test, then install another add-on, test, etc.  I didn't do that because with P3D 2.3 (my former version until a few days ago) I never had to.

 

Noel didn't you have a bunch of problems with your pc - well it looks like you still do - something hardware wise is broken - its not flightsim - flightsim is bringing out issues once you push the pc - you really need to solve a hardware problem before proceeding to a software that will expose it - sorry to tell you that but thats your problem - you need to nail that down first

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I still think theres something wrong with your video card - that or the power supply 

 

Forget all of this mumbo jumbo from your last thread 

 

Replace both of those or borrow to diagnose - your getting nowhere fast imo

 

Problem solved - this is what my guts says and its usually right when it comes to pc problems

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I'd say the drive that initially failed is still bad.  I would try a different drive or purchase a new one as they are pretty inexpensive now.

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If a drive exhibits symptoms like yours did, it is dumpster time for the drive, unless you want to waste time and energy reinstalling everything until it fails again. 

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I'd say the drive that initially failed is still bad.  I would try a different drive or purchase a new one as they are pretty inexpensive now.

 

Could still be a drive also - agree on that - I dont believe any of this so called diagnostic software is that reliable - suck it up and buy the new hardware - 9 times out of 10 when it acts up like this its hardware - hard pill to swallow as we have all been there - but the time wasted is not helping matters - its not P3D thats for sure

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Using any Saitek equipment?

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Could be a lot of things, but sounds like hardware related. These situations suck because you have to either do trial and error on replacing hardware components or suck it up and buy a new system.  I would probably start by looking at the power supply unit. 

 

Did you try turning graphics settings all down to minimum (low resolution, all sliders to minimum, etc.)?

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Seems like a RAM issue to me. Have you ran memtest?

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I'd check to see if there might be a firmware update available for your SSD. It's easy enough to do and doesn't cost anything. I spent 3 weeks once trying to figure out WTH was wrong with my PC having similar problems and a 5 min firmware update ultimately fixed it. Might be worth looking into.

 

Jim

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The only way to really eliminate the hardware is to completely reinstall P3D with NO addons of any type and fly for a few days with the defaults. If all is well, your hardware is probably fine.

 

If you still get the crashes - monitor your heat on the CPU and VIDEO card, run Memtest on the memory, one stick at a time. Also run OCCT - http://www.ocbase.com/ - it stresses the SYSTEM much as FSX/P3D would and is a better stress test that P95.

 

I have seen this type of corruption on some systems that use the EMT but, in this case, there is no positive proof that it is the culprit.

 

If the hardware is ok - you know the drill - install one at a time and test for a day or so - I would not use EMT at this time.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

Good luck!

 

Vic

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Seems like a RAM issue to me. Have you ran memtest?

Yes did the full memtest and all checked out fine.

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I agree with Rich, something is going on hardware (or hardware driver) wise.

 

How long did you run Prime95? Did you run a graphics card benchmarking tool like Furmark (http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/ ) to see if it's the video card?

 

I ask because Prime95 doesn't task the video card at all, only the CPU/FSB/RAM...

 

You seem like a computer savvy person, so I've avoided asking the stupid questions, but it does definitely seem like it's hardware or driver related.

 

Driver Fusion is a tool I've used in the past to scan and uninstall old drivers that may be causing issues: https://treexy.com/products/driver-fusion

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I'll ask again... using any Saitek equipment?

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I'd check to see if there might be a firmware update available for your SSD. It's easy enough to do and doesn't cost anything. I spent 3 weeks once trying to figure out WTH was wrong with my PC having similar problems and a 5 min firmware update ultimately fixed it. Might be worth looking into.

 

Jim

Jim, ran the Samsung Magician software which indicated my 840 SSD had the current firmware installed so that appears to be ruled out now thanks.

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LMAO... ok, there's an issue with Saitek and Prepar3D. I have, as example, the Saitek trim wheel. It will crash the mouse driver... cause incessant beeping from mouse movement and pretty much shut down 100% user input to the OS requiring a hard boot.

 

Sound familiar at all?

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Not the EMT - works perfectly

Not true Rich. On *some* systems there have been various instances of file corruption causing all sorts of issues. So far no rhyme nor reason as to which systems have issues or even why - but I'd still say use with caution.

 

Vic

Yes did the full memtest and all checked out fine.

Unless they've made a radical change recently. the sticks must be checked individually - the modern error correcting feature can hide some errors if all memory is checked at once.

 

Vic

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Is it just P3D that hangs (i.e. can you run other programs/games successfully)?

I booted to a different bootable HDD, and played FarCry 4 at max settings for about 25 minutes w/ my CPU at 4.32Ghz and was flawlessly and this suggests the GPU is ok fine.

 

I had no other software besides the OS and some testing tools on my P3D SSD so could not try anything else on that drive before I deleted P3D v3.

 

 

 

I'll ask again... using any Saitek equipment?

 

Ed--I worked all day today.

 

Yes, I use the Proflight Yoke/TQ & Cessna Trim wheel in P3D v2.3 for 2.7 years on the same machine.

Is it just P3D that hangs (i.e. can you run other programs/games successfully)?

I booted to a different bootable HDD, and played FarCry 4 at max settings for about 25 minutes w/ my CPU at 4.32Ghz and was flawlessly and this suggests the GPU is ok fine.

 

I had no other software besides the OS and some testing tools on my P3D SSD so could not try anything else on that drive before I deleted P3D v3.

 

 

 

I'll ask again... using any Saitek equipment?

 

Ed--I worked all day today.

 

Yes, I use the Proflight Yoke/TQ & Cessna Trim wheel in P3D v2.3 for 2.7 years on the same machine.

 

LMAO... ok, there's an issue with Saitek and Prepar3D. I have, as example, the Saitek trim wheel. It will crash the mouse driver... cause incessant beeping from mouse movement and pretty much shut down 100% user input to the OS requiring a hard boot.

 

Sound familiar at all?

Yes it sure does so sounds a likely candidate.  It definitely as I mentioned seemed like a hardware conflict (I said IRQ).  The next question quite clearly is:  why now?  2.7y w/ P3D version 2.3 no problems w/ those 3 Saitek parts.  Was this present for you with P3D 2.3?  I think I had the trim wheel connected before I loaded the driver which always used to be a no no but I have no idea if more modern OS solved this prior OS issue.

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Is it just P3D that hangs (i.e. can you run other programs/games successfully)?

I booted to a different bootable HDD, and played FarCry 4 at max settings for about 25 minutes w/ my CPU at 4.32Ghz and was flawlessly and this suggests the GPU is ok fine.

 

I had no other software besides the OS and some testing tools on my P3D SSD so could not try anything else on that drive before I deleted P3D v3.

 

 

 

I'll ask again... using any Saitek equipment?

 

Ed--I worked all day today.

 

Yes, I use the Proflight Yoke/TQ & Cessna Trim wheel in P3D v2.3 for 2.7 years on the same machine.

 

LMAO... ok, there's an issue with Saitek and Prepar3D. I have, as example, the Saitek trim wheel. It will crash the mouse driver... cause incessant beeping from mouse movement and pretty much shut down 100% user input to the OS requiring a hard boot.

 

Sound familiar at all?

Yes it sure does so sounds a likely candidate.  It definitely as I mentioned seemed like a hardware conflict (I said IRQ).  The next question quite clearly is:  why now?  2.7y w/ P3D version 2.3 no problems w/ those 3 Saitek parts.  Was this present for you with P3D 2.3?  I think I had the trim wheel connected before I loaded the driver which always used to be a no no but I have no idea if more modern OS solved this prior OS issue.

 

The only way to really eliminate the hardware is to completely reinstall P3D with NO addons of any type and fly for a few days with the defaults. If all is well, your hardware is probably fine.

 

If you still get the crashes - monitor your heat on the CPU and VIDEO card, run Memtest on the memory, one stick at a time. Also run OCCT - http://www.ocbase.com/ - it stresses the SYSTEM much as FSX/P3D would and is a better stress test that P95.

 

I have seen this type of corruption on some systems that use the EMT but, in this case, there is no positive proof that it is the culprit.

 

If the hardware is ok - you know the drill - install one at a time and test for a day or so - I would not use EMT at this time.

 

Rinse and repeat.

 

Good luck!

 

Vic

One stick at a time I think I can do but the massive Noctua may cover up two of four sticks so might not be doable.  As mentioned I ran FarCry 4 with max settings and maybe it's not memory intensive but a very long booted memtest86 showed no errors FWIW but w/ all 4 errors.  

 

Yes, I will plan on clean install of P3D version 3 but after investigating the Saitek issue Ed brings up.   I am wondering if something happened when I installed the software for the trim wheel AFTER I connected the trim wheel, which I know used to not be a good thing. 

 

Thanks all I'll keep trying.   I'm leaning towards hardware conflict from the trim wheel thanks Ed.  An easy test is to move the mouse over to a PS/2 port which uses different I/O and maybe IRQ I don't know but simple to try.

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why now?

Of that I have no answer. L-M says it's something to do with the driver... Saitek isn't talking at all.

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With regard to the Saitek trim wheel (if it is that causing the issues), you can still use it. What you have to do it spin it a few times before starting P3D. Once you hear the little windows sound play that tells you it has now been recognised, you can start the sim as normal and use the trim wheel fine. You just have to remember to spin it before starting every time. It's so ingrained in my mind now that I always spin it when windows starts, no matter if I'm using P3D or not!

 

Good luck with it.

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With regard to the Saitek trim wheel (if it is that causing the issues), you can still use it. What you have to do it spin it a few times before starting P3D. Once you hear the little windows sound play that tells you it has now been recognised, you can start the sim as normal and use the trim wheel fine. You just have to remember to spin it before starting every time. It's so ingrained in my mind now that I always spin it when windows starts, no matter if I'm using P3D or not!

 

Good luck with it.

Yes this was true w/ 2.3 and I had contacted Saitek as soon as I noticed suggesting this is something they could program into their driver but I guess it never happened.  You can also unplug and replug the trim wheel back in when you forget to initialize it and that works fine too.  This is not the issue per se I'm having now.

Of that I have no answer. L-M says it's something to do with the driver... Saitek isn't talking at all.

I tried moving the mouse to a PS/2 port but same issue happens and that is after reinstalling P3D version 3 so no joy there.

 

Do you know if this issue is purported to be happening w/ earlier versions like 2.3?  As I say I used it for 2.7y w/ no conflict and all was well.  I will try uninstalling the trim wheel driver and see what happens w/ that.   If it's still hosed I guess next stop is look for a prior driver w/ the trim wheel which may have come on a CD I will look.

 

Does LM say there was an issue w/ version 2.3 do you know?

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