"Not a lick of DX there, it's running on Open GL"

 

That's camping things up a tad -lol. These are graphics abstractions running on the same GPU. The Open GL implementation follows on the technology and success of the hardware advanced with the aid of Direct X development over the last decade.

 

Hey, I don't get to camp it up a little?  :smile:

 

Besides, I think the point still stands. One of the major civilian flight sims is doing fine without DirectX.

 

It had to, in order to support more than one OS. The fact that it doesn't lock out anyone not using Windows 10 is just a side effect. That sim has a clear path forward with multiple API's like OpenGL, Vulkan, and Metal, including VR support. There is no need to make a fetish of DX12, as if it's the only way forward. 

Yes, my point is that I agree the OpenGL implementation doesn't matter so long as they keep it up to speed with DX. The fact that they do a very nice view with it in XP and that it's on the same hardware as DX shows it's not inferior as such.

It's going to have to be something significantly better. The last thing we need is another reason to talk about VAS issues and the same old stuff.

 

It's time to move forward, if you want to use your old addons, launch the old sim.

Maybe a problem for you, not for the vast majority...

That sounds too much like an "Alternate Fact," when it is demonstrably false.

 

Win10: 10.93%

Win 7: 55.68%

 

n4gix

 

While Windows 7 users do out number Windows 10 users, your posted data is over a year old and is comparing all operating systems.

 

Take a look at these varying numbers for a more up to date Windows OS comparison.

 

Todd

 

 

Windows 7 forever! 

PLEASE.. back to topic. This 7 vs 10 comparison has been flogged to death, many many times. Get over it, and move on.

That sounds too much like an "Alternate Fact," when it is demonstrably false.Win10: 10.93%Win 7: 55.68%

Sorry, but your data is the one that seems to be an"alternate fact", specially when the data you show is old...

 

Go back to that SAME site, and you will see that as of December 2016, windows 7 has dropped to 48.34% while at the same time windows 10 has more than DOUBLED in just 1 year to 24.36%...

 

https://www.netmarketshare.com/operating-system-market-share.aspx?qprid=10&qpcustomd=0

 

 

So yeah, no alternate facts, just reality of how (most) people adopt the new OS over time...

I would also consider more what gamers do (ourselves included) than every single pc build out there.

That's why i trust Steam Surveys more.

http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey

 

(click on OS Version and you will get a drop down list of OS and their %)

 

 

As for DTG, what annoys me the most is not at all the fact they were not ready. And not the fact they haven't actually showed anything such as videos or images. It's the fact that there is a complete silence that annoys me the most. You don't want to go into details about what actually you are changing or have nothing to show? FINE, but at least give us something in general term on what DTG thinks needed to be updated, which flaws of the old engine DTG is trying to work on and so on. SOMETHING.

As far as backward compatibility, I think there will be some. Anything that is using 32-bit DLLs will not work (think non-xml gauges). Almost all scenery should work, as they require no DLLs.

 

Dovetail is just making no effort to have backward compatibility, and wants end-users to not expect it as that will be unsupported.

 

Dick

n4gix

 

While Windows 7 users do out number Windows 10 users, your posted data is over a year old and is comparing all operating systems.

Fair enough, Todd. I'll accept the latest data. Even so, my main observation remains true, and that is that what was written:

Raven9000, on 26 Jan 2017 - 3:52 PM, said:

 

 

Maybe a problem for you, not for the vast majority...

while perhaps not quite an "Alternate Fact" is most assuredly gross hyperbole. 

Oh Bill, that WAS funny ... maybe we should "blackout" these responses so we can get to the "truth"  :He He:

 

Anyway, has there been any updates of info from DTG?

 

Cheers, "alternate" Rob

 

Anyway, has there been any updates of info from DTG?

 

Nope. Nothing, nada, nichts.

 

As for DTG, what annoys me the most is not at all the fact they were not ready. And not the fact they haven't actually showed anything such as videos or images. It's the fact that there is a complete silence that annoys me the most. You don't want to go into details about what actually you are changing or have nothing to show? FINE, but at least give us something in general term on what DTG thinks needed to be updated, which flaws of the old engine DTG is trying to work on and so on. SOMETHING.

 

I understand your argument and share your concerns. However, fact is DTG was harshly attacked and criticized both before and after the release of Flight School. Our community has an incredible capability to destroy all attempts to innovation. We saw this happen with Microsoft Flight, we have seen this happen recently with Aerofly FS2. Leaking information is the best way to make speculations and, what is worse, bashing grow. Given this situation, i perfectly understand DTG. I would do the same.

You can't blame people for being critical of Flight School. Based on what I have seen, it appears to be little more than a rather limited number of lessons using a graphics engine that is hardly different from default FSX. Not exactly encouraging. Yes, I know......not aimed at hardcore flight simmers.....yada yada. That is irrelevant. It was seen as an indicator of what we might expect in DTG Flight Simulator, and by that yardstick it was found wanting. Of course, Dovetail Games may blow us all away with the next release, but that remains to be seen.

You can't blame people for being critical of Flight School. Based on what I have seen, it appears to be little more than a rather limited number of lessons using a graphics engine that is hardly different from default FSX. Not exactly encouraging. Yes, I know......not aimed at hardcore flight simmers.....yada yada. That is irrelevant. It was seen as an indicator of what we might expect in DTG Flight Simulator, and by that yardstick it was found wanting. Of course, Dovetail Games may blow us all away with the next release, but that remains to be seen.

 

Agreed! I haven't tried Flight School, however I wasn't overall impressed with the scale of the sim, though...