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P3D v4 & the JS-41

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Yeah apparently GLA is no longer going to serve Pueblo.  Instead we're getting Skywest with the CRJ 50 seat.

Ah, now if only we could get a PMDG level CRJ ... I would be so happy.  I have Aerosoft's but it's not study level.

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I used to love watching the Skywest EMB-120's back in the day. Still my favorite turbo prop...its probably why I love the Jetstream so much. I have contemplated the Majestic Q400 but they just don't do anything for me. I understand it is well modeled and runs great, but the plane itself (the dash 8) just does not excite me.

 

So now I am patiently waiting on the v4 jetstream. Since moving from FSX and FSX SE this is truly the one thing I missed. Still my favorite FLight Sim plane (even better than the NGX but thats just my $.02) and would love to find a VA that is US based that still flys them

Nick Silver

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I hope that they are able to release the P3D version of this aircraft before Christmas. I have a fattened PayPal account that has been prepar3d for occasions like this :wink:

Christopher Low

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I'm dying for this plane PMDG!!!! I've almost got the $5,000,000.00 saved up......

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Despite being mostly a Big Boeing driver... the J-41 (like the DC-6) has been a very welcome changes of pace.  As the beta continues, I find it becoming a very manageable single pilot IFR platform... and one that is superbly adaptable to varying topography and Wx.  Keep in mind it took many hours of almost panic to get there.

Stable and predictable, she only demands you pay attention to the engines... other than that, she’s pretty docile and forgiving. Let your attention wander on engine parameters, and best case, you’re in for tea and biscuits with the CP..... worst case, you’ll be fast friends with the airport fire service.

In short, she’ll have a whole new cadre of aficionados.... soon ;)

C

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Carl Avari-Cooper

1 hour ago, lasnubes said:

she only demands you pay attention to the engines...

... and speed in descent.  You have a choice, go down or slow down. She doesn't do both together.

Dan Downs KCRP

On 2017-11-06 at 2:20 PM, 777200lrf said:

Great Lakes?

I'd fly the 1900 around Alaska on real routes and Ameriflight and Alpine Air 1900C freighters on their many routes. If I had a 1900C/D full simulation and a fully simulated Pilatus PC12 I'd never fly anything else!  - David Lee

As a guy who knows people who fly the 1900 in real life, I can’t imagine why you’d want to fly it lol.  It’s such a piece of junk, and everyone I know wants nothing more than to get out of it and move on. 

Will the P3D version of the JS41 include a detailed tutorial? I will need a helping hand for my first few flights :smile:

Christopher Low

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9 hours ago, FishermanIvan said:

As a guy who knows people who fly the 1900 in real life, I can’t imagine why you’d want to fly it lol.  It’s such a piece of junk, and everyone I know wants nothing more than to get out of it and move on. 

Agreed.  'Tis why i am excited we are getting the CRJ in its place.  The ONLY reason I had any interest in the 1900 at all was because it was the only commercial bird serving my hometown.  Yup ... So glad to have the CRJ now.

At least the J41 has interesting operations and feels like a turboprop.  The 1900 just felt like, well, exactly what it is ... an over sized King Air with a crappy interior.

6 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Will the P3D version of the JS41 include a detailed tutorial? I will need a helping hand for my first few flights :smile:

If it doesn't, I'll be happy to make some YouTube videos of me making an word not allowed of myself learning the bird with everyone else :)  I won;t lie ... I will make a lot of mistakes ... but I still like that others can watch and learn from those mistakes :)

Fae

12 hours ago, FishermanIvan said:

As a guy who knows people who fly the 1900 in real life, I can’t imagine why you’d want to fly it lol.  It’s such a piece of junk, and everyone I know wants nothing more than to get out of it and move on. 

I like the routes it flys mostly for Ameriflight, Central Mountain Air, and Northern Thunderbird. The Carenado and old PMDG versions handled okay and I like the cockpit layout. I'm sure the poor pay pilots get and long hours helps them hate it flying in real life. - David Lee

20 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Will the P3D version of the JS41 include a detailed tutorial? I will need a helping hand for my first few flights :smile:

Given the FSX version does, I'd imagine it's the same solid tutorial (possibly adapted for the lack of FMS)

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21 hours ago, Christopher Low said:

Will the P3D version of the JS41 include a detailed tutorial? I will need a helping hand for my first few flights :smile:

Yes- all PMDG products are provided with one, or more tutorials, in addition to the FCOM.  The learning curve on this a/c is steep (especially because of the differences between turbo-prop vs. turbofan handling), but follow the tutorial (a few dozen times), follow the checklist (also provided) and you will come to love her as I have...

C

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Carl Avari-Cooper

To be honest it's not that difficult provided you understand the operating principles of the engines. The tutorial covers this but here's a brief summary I've written that you may find helpful:

The TPE331 is a geared turboprop engine and operates at 95-100% during flight, the thrust levers adjust prop pitch to create thrust and the engine speed governor adjusts fuel flow to maintain the selected engine RPM (this behaviour is similar to most helicopters). The engine responds to power/torque changes quicker since it's not waiting for the turbines to spool up or down. A good analogy would be driving a car everywhere on the engine redline, and using the clutch to control your speed.

The engine is cooled by the air flowing through it, at taxi RPM (72%) there is less cooling air than at flight RPM (95-100%), so if you try to takeoff at taxi RPM the EGT limit will be exceed and the engines will catch fire! That has several implications:

1) Whenever you reduce engine RPM, check EGT first and continue monitoring until it has settled. Never move the condition levers back quickly! If EGT is already at the limit you cannot reduce RPM without first reducing power/torque. During climb you will need to regularly monitor EGT.

2) Engine Anti-Ice (EAI) bleeds air from the engine, removing some cooling air from the core and thus increasing EGT. Before enabling EAI you must reduce EGT to the lower white checkmark. Once EAI is on, you can readjust power to get near the EGT redline again although sometimes the resulting power limitation causes sluggish climb through the icing layer, and it is then permissible to increase from 98% climb rpm to 100% rpm.

The propeller is directly connected to the engine output shaft through a gearbox, so whenever the propeller turns, so does the engine (unlike free power turbines most simmers have experienced), which has two main implications:

3) The angle of the propeller blades during start makes a big difference to the load placed on the starter motor. As a safety feature the engines automatically feather on shutdown, but having the blades at this angle overwhelms the starter (causing failed start and potential damage), so the prop blades must be placed on "start locks" which holds them at fully fine pitch where they present the least amount of surface area to resist rotation. Start locks are engaged by applying reverse thrust during engine shutdown, and disengaged by using reverse thrust after start up.

4) The propeller is not allowed to turn the engine under normal operations as this can damage the gearbox, so at idle there is significant thrust/torque to prevent this situation occurring. That means it is tricky to lose speed during descent, the rule "slow down or go down, not both" is especially applicable to the JS41.

I also wrote an FAQ at http://viaintercity.com/forums/bae-jetstream-41-(bae-js4100)/faq-(frequently-asked-questions)-and-tips-for-bae-js4100/ that covers the common problems people get of not being able to start engines or having simultaneously engine fires.

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Any news on release date of this bird?

Thomas Derbyshire

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