Opterix and virtuali, the survey likely has responses only from dedicated flight simmers and not the causal ones who get the bug and stay hooked thanks to Steam membership where FSX:SE is on sale for 75% off quite often.  Like me several years ago.  The information in the survey results is excellent for the big sim fans.  However the information shouldn't be considered to include the casual fans who do not go to flight sim sites, forums, news, and do not know what Navigraph is.

53 minutes ago, BF Bullpup said:

Can't the admins just implement a rule that no FSX vs P3D discussions in the FSX forums are allowed?

I'm not here to bash FSX; to me FSX was a stepping stone just like FS3 - FS9 were. I move on because the tech and features move on. I moved over to P3D v2 when I saw that the cloud depiction/ representation advanced. As P3Dv2 has moved on so have I, and always will, because this is the nature of this beast we call home based flight simulation.

Why the fear of sim vs sim? FSX is going to eventually become a "just for nostalgia" sim just like FS3 is. In the future P3D v4 will be outdated just like P3D V1 is essentially useless. This is nothing to fight against, but rather better to embrace, because it is inevitable. FSX will always lose the vs debate against P3Dv4, so one may as well get on the winning side. Don't worry, P3D v4 will lose vs P3D v5 and so on; yes even P3Dv4 is just a stepping stone. "BIG picture/Outside looking in" stuff. 

As I have said in the past to FS9 holdouts ' why are you not exclusively using FS4 or FS98?' So I ask all FSX holdouts why are they not using FS2000 exclusively? surely it a better sim since its older. The logic totally escapes me. The licensing excuse baffles me or Carenado would not be developing DEFAULT aircraft for P3D, yea real professional and high level learning! And the I have too many add-ons invested in FSX -- well I and thousands of other simmers have more invested in FS4 -FSX than most can even believe too. Not to mention XP and other platforms and the PC/hardware investments over decades....that is just how it is....things get old.

 

18 hours ago, Opterix said:

Are you P3D-missionaries really flying? Flying over fantastic, realistic landscapes? If yes: let me see!
There are only few good P3D-screenshot posters. They are really great but they do not missionize. So please let us see _your_ screenshots, dear P3D-missionaries.

Happily awaiting
Peter

 This channel is full of P3D vids, and there are many other YT channels that do full length flights (just do a "full length p3d v4 flights" search on YT) of equal and even better quality. All w/o OOM - not possible in FSX.

  

To all FSX holdouts, have at it, you are not harming anyone or the community. Saying you DO have it better when you do not, does its part in deceiving the community that does not know better. But if you really think you have it better, then just tell us that FS9 or even FS8 is better than FSX and we will know all we need to know. If FS8 and FS9 are NOT better than FSX tell us why; by doing so you contradict your current position about P3Dv4 vs FSX. So either go back to flying FS98 or accept the fact that P3Dv4 is the better more advanced simulator. I'm not saying that one has to buy/use P3D or XP, I'm just saying accept the fact the FSX (32 bit) is OLD news and 64 bit is better. 

11 hours ago, Jim Young said:

Dave,

I'm the Admin.  There are a lot of "garbage" posts in the eyes of our membership but that should not be a reason to remove the post.  If it is garbage for you and others, simply move on.  I do not want to censor everything posted on AVSIM and I do not want to post only "intelligent" posts.  In this case, I think there is a language barrier that makes his post difficult to read and understand.  I think members also need to know why many have moved on to P3Dv4.  Based on the history of this individual, I do not see similar posts that I might consider spamming or trolling.

Best regards, 

Jim

Jim,

I applaud your decision. As long as this conversation remains honest with proofs and void of personal attacks, this topic will eventually prove that FSX will fade away into history just like our beloved 286/12 PC's and avocado colored kitchen cabinets. 😄

 

I will say it again P3Dv4 will eventually fade away if P3D 5 and 6 get released. I have nothing against FSX. People who have issues in P3D will learn the ropes just like us veterans had to learn. I have no issues in P3Dv4.4 and I look forward to the rumored 4.5 which I intend to "clean" install on day 1 as I always do. 🤓 

No amount of sentiment will replace cold hard facts, 32 bit sims whatever their stripe are legacy platforms and as such can only see diminishing support , product releases and usage .  The dreaded OOM and restrictions on what can be run to remain under 4 G of address space are a thing of the past , digital anachronisms that developers have had to leave behind in order to produce the future , I for one do not mind never seeing another vertex buffer error during development , the 67,000 texture vertex limit per material is a thing of the past , PBR support ended that issue.

 

Best CJ  

The constant back and forth bickering between FSX users and  P3D and 4 users is a microcosm of the U.S. right now:  Democrats don't want to hear Republicans views and visa versa:  Same for liberals vs. conservatives.  They all try to shut their ears to another's point of view.  Granted the OP view here is quite slanted and not quite accurate - but views like his should be heard, if only to be discounted by the rest of the Forum members....    

2 hours ago, BF Bullpup said:

Can't the admins just implement a rule that no FSX vs P3D discussions in the FSX forums are allowed?  Similar to the fact that discussions of licenses are not allowed in the P3D forum?  Compared to other flight sim forums i have been in, the people that post here in the AVSim FSX forums seem generally knowledgeable of the available flight sims today but use FSX for their own reasons.  It does get tiresome to read good original posts in this FSX forum only to have former FSX users (and bored P3D users) respond with the same tired "Just get P3D" comments.

A hearty +1.  I don't go into a north side Chicago bar to hear about how good the White Sox are. 

1 hour ago, pracines said:

FSX was a stepping stone just like FS3 - FS9 were. I move on because the tech and features move on. I moved over to P3D v2 when I saw that the cloud depiction/ representation advanced. As P3Dv2 has moved on so have I, and always will, because this is the nature of this beast we call home based flight simulation.

++1

1 hour ago, pracines said:

286/12 PC's and avocado colored kitchen cabinets. 😄

+++2

3 hours ago, BF Bullpup said:

Can't the admins just implement a rule that no FSX vs P3D discussions in the FSX forums are allowed?  Similar to the fact that discussions of licenses are not allowed in the P3D forum?  Compared to other flight sim forums i have been in, the people that post here in the AVSim FSX forums seem generally knowledgeable of the available flight sims today but use FSX for their own reasons.  It does get tiresome to read good original posts in this FSX forum only to have former FSX users (and bored P3D users) respond with the same tired "Just get P3D" comments.

I was going to write this exact same opinion shortly after a very recent enthusiastic post of mine was browbeaten, nay bullied into submission. Except I didn't feel quite ready to venture back into the playground just yet. 

Am not going to get involved with the whole which sim is better, they both have their place. I have used FSX boxed for the last 5 years and am very happy with it i also have dabbled with P3D in the past too. I recognise that some companies are now making sceneries for P3D only which i completely understand and have no problem with at all, it's just natural development. the biggest thing i look for is smoothness and for me FSX with half V sync locked to 30 is butter smooth. Running a 60Hz monitor at 1080P gives me nice crisp visuals with great AA.

For P3D i have never been able to get a smooth sim experience and those microstutters just kill it for me, the lack of full screen vysnc is a real barrier and correct me if i am wrong but the only way to get a smooth 30FPS is to have a montior that is capable of 30hz ( which mine doesn't). The last time i tried it was V3.4 and the AA is not up to par when compared to FSX either for a 1080p display. If someone can show me settings to obtain my holy grail of a smooth 30fps on a 1080p screen with good AA then i would definitely give it another try. My system is now about 5 years old (i7 4770K 4GHz  GTX970).

Oh and be careful what you wish for when it comes to Youtube videos, these "Ultra Realism" and "As it real as it gets" videos often have after video effects added including double speed replays to improve framerates and smoothless.

Bit of a plug here, I upload full flight videos to my little channel without any of these "magic effects". Have flown PMDG's Areosoft Airbus etc and never had an OOM.

Kind regards

Daz

Youtube ( Dkentflyer)

35 minutes ago, Dazkent said:

For P3D i have never been able to get a smooth sim experience and those microstutters just kill it for me, the lack of full screen vysnc is a real barrier and correct me if i am wrong but the only way to get a smooth 30FPS is to have a montior that is capable of 30hz ( which mine doesn't). The last time i tried it was V3.4 and the AA is not up to par when compared to FSX either for a 1080p display.

The exact same problems I've experienced with P3D v3.4, v4 and X-Plane 11; FSX absolutely rules when it comes to 1080p.

Hey! What about FS2004 or CFS2? OOMs. Crash to desktop. Microstutters? What nonsense.

I use several iterations of MS flight simulator in the course of a month, including P3D and FSX:SE. The OP of the original thread explained a solution he used for dealing with OOMs in FSX. Other simmers with experience in FSX chimed in as to why this was good or not good, and several offered opinions as to why P3D was a viable alternative to dealing with OOMs using content from FSX.

Why some members are so defensive of their particular sim of choice is a mystery to me. And why some members are so ready to become 'victims' when their posted opinions are challenged is another mystery. Let it go! If you post something, someone will disagree. If you can't handle that, then social media is not for you. Censorship, because you don't like a particular respone really is absurd in our day of facebook and twitter..

My advice to everyone is to be gentlemanly is your responses. And regarding P3D users commenting on FSX 'issues', don't be so thin skinned. Don't assume you or your opinions or fixes are being insulted. 99% of P3D users have been FSX users, and many still are. Anyone suggesting the use of P3D will solve some FSX problems is offered as a good will gesture, not as a challenge.

 

Amen.

16 minutes ago, rhumbaflappy said:

If you can't handle that, then social media is not for you

I would NEVER consider AVSIM to fall under the 'social media' category. I thought it is was one of the last bastions of civilized society where the polite, enlightened and good hearted people huddle together and shelter from the onslaught of garbage spewing out of almost every other server on the planet. FORUMS are not FACEBOOK pages. Anyone remember newsgroups? If the moderators of AVSIM itself wish the forum to be considered 'social media' and will not stop it free falling into the garbage heap of aggressive opinionated chatter SM is so proud of please let me know so I may disconnect ASAP and return to dust in my own time peacefully.

23 minutes ago, rhumbaflappy said:

Anyone suggesting the use of P3D will solve some FSX problems is offered as a good will gesture, not as a challenge.

Except it is NOT. It is so often snidely put, inferring the OP is as Jurassic as the software itself. You can almost FEEL the high fiving going on between the comments. 

OP: My Ford Fiesta is having oil leak issues, any ideas?

A1) You don't still drive one of those museum pieces do you?

A2) If you drove a BMW it wouldn't leak in the first place, and if it DID it would smell like roses.

 

2 hours ago, Dazkent said:

If someone can show me settings to obtain my holy grail of a smooth 30fps on a 1080p screen with good AA then i would definitely give it another try. My system is now about 5 years old (i7 4770K 4GHz  GTX970).

All I can say Daz is that my system is smooth as butter.  Turn off hyperthreading and get rid of any tweaks in your P3D.cfg and enjoy the ride.

Good thread. I think livly debate helps people trying to make decisions. Gives many points of view.

FSX and P3 DV4.4 are not even in the same league IMO. But that's just me. I respect everyone's right to decide for themselves and criticize no one for there hobby choices.

As a P3DV4.4 user I keep my FSX Steam installed and inhabited with retro airports from California Classics. If I hear an old song from the 50s and get to feeling nostalgic I get on FSX, pull up my A2A Connie, DC6, or Manfred Jan DC3  and fly into 1960 Idelwild, Midway, Atlanta or Charlotte. I could sware I heard old Dan Roman whistle The High and Mighty once.

4 minutes ago, PATCO LCH said:

FSX and P3 DV4.4 are not even in the same league IMO

Talking about leagues, I enjoy watching my local team way more than paying through the nose to sit in a 100,000 seater stadium and watch multi millionaires prance around. Or I USED to before, pay per view and saturation of sport on TV drove my local team out of business. People cheering on Solihull Moors would not appreciate people walking past the ground and shouting "your team sucks go and see Man Utd instead!!".... But I digress...

11 minutes ago, Jim Young said:

All I can say Daz is that my system is smooth as butter.  Turn off hyperthreading and get rid of any tweaks in your P3D.cfg and enjoy the ride.

Hi Jim

Thanks for your reply, i must admit i am one of those users that doesn't do tweaks, My FSX is set up as per the AVSIM set up guide and has served me very well through the years 😀. Do you have your frame rate limit set to 30.

Am in the market for a graphics card upgrade within the next few months as when i bought the 970 the 10 series cards came out a few months later. I can't afford a 1080 series though was looking at the 1070 now the 20 series cards have come out i am not sure where to go though that may be a question for the P3D forum 😉