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New MS Flight Sim shown at E3 - Updated Information

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I had to re-check the url to be sure it was legit, it is! Pinch me, am I awake?

Getting ahead of myself here but how about resurrecting Train Simulator using the same engine once MSFS is back in the air?

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1 minute ago, Bert Pieke said:

And.. for some of us, this will mean having to move to Windows 10 from Windows 7..

Just to try a new sim..  Just pause and think about that for a minute..  :unsure:

 

I made the switch about 3 months ago. I would say the experience has been good and I dont use much of the bells and whistles. Heck, with Windows 10 my desktop is ready to go before my monitor goes through its splash screen and pops up. Trust me, I loved Windows 7, I thought I was going to ride it to the end but even hardware is moving on from it. 

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22 minutes ago, Murmur said:

In light of the news, it's end of game for P3D (in terms of usage by simmers), unless v5 will use the same engine of MSFS2020. And also X-Plane will recede back in its market share as it was before v11.

Maybe, but ignoring even the issue of how many detailed airports will be there, think about how long it will take to build out the fleet of aircraft people like to fly in FSX/P3D and XP11. Everybody has their favorites, and they're not going to magically appear in the new MSFS.

If the new sim is a success, then great! I'll migrate along with everyone else. But here's what I fly now, most of the time:

The main ones:

PC-12
Bell 412 helicopter

Others flown on occasion:

DC-3
Beech 18
DHC-2 Beaver
DHC-6 Twin Otter
Bell 429

I love those aircraft. That's how I like to fly. And I know everyone here has their favorites too, especially the tubeliner sim pilots.

I'm not going to switch platforms completely just because the scenery is nice. There is a TBM 930 and a Caravan shown in the trailer, so that covers a little of that list, but it's going to take a loooong time to build out the others with 3rd party add-ons. And meanwhile I'll still be rooting for this to be successful while waiting to see how it develops. 

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2 hours ago, devgrp said:

I guess all the people who wanted this to fail doesnt have anything to say now? we finally have a chance to get a new updated sim and people are up in arms about it. Isnt this want we always wanted? lmao

I heard that some particular simmers are 'loyal' to LM and will stick to P3D, lol.

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1 hour ago, Jim Young said:

When FSX was first released, AVSIM was the main site watched by the Microsoft Aces team members.  They posted here a lot and also mentioned topics and posts in the lead developers web page.  But it does not mean it will continue.

It does seem that they are reading comments from the Community, and if not from here then where?  Points 1 to 3 seem to be high level answers to the most talkabout issues in this forum.

1. We are making Microsoft Flight Simulator. Emphasis on the word SIMULATOR.
2. Designed for PC, optimized for multiplatform support (e.g. Xbox).
3. Yes. We are supporting 3rd Party Content Development and Community Content creation. We are aware of the concerns in the current eco-system and are working to address them.

 

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My level of excitement just hit Summer of 2006 level when I would wait everyday for new FSX screens to be released. I know they said august we will get more but It wont stop me from scrambling to my PC to check the internets every day after work to check for new news. Oh wait, we have smart phones now, I can check whenever.. 🤣

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1 hour ago, kingm56 said:

It took 1 sec to view your YouTube page to understand the impetus of your comment; as an obvious Xplane fan, the notion of MS returning to a genera they dominated for 4 decades threatens the investments (time/money) you've made.  If MS comments are true, you can bet Xplane's market share will retract; they simply don't have the resources to compete with MS.  I'm not suggesting they'll disappear; after all, they've coexisted with MSFS for 3 decades. However, the realistic notion of Xplane capturing the majority of the market and enticing key third party developers was quickly squashed with MS E3 announcements.  I suspect when MSFS enters the market, developers will shift focus to this platform as it has the potential to attract a significant audience. Xplane will once again be eclipsed by MS shadow; in short, we're returning to the simulation environment of the 90s/2000s...I know that causes many consternation and is the genesis of comments like yours...          

MSFS will never eclipse XP in flight modeling. That was developed by genius Austin Meyer and has been tested, tuned and tweaked over decades. It is as real as real - something I cannot even explain to the uninitiated.

If (big If) MS come up with a half way decent flight model I would be interested. Eye candy is definitely a seller. I will always have XP, but having 2 simulators and switching between them is conceivable.

I am not anti MS. I was originally at Avsim since FS2004 days. Were you? I remember all about the previous MS community guy, Mike aka taildragger. And of course the infamous DX10 screenshot, that turned out to be artwork. And then getting a new rig for FSX and getting like 5 fps at KSEA lol. I gave up flight simulator for about 9 years but XP brought me back.

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1 minute ago, Bert Pieke said:

this will mean having to move to Windows 10 from Windows 7..

Yes, or XBOX if you prefer.  Windows 10 has been slowly improving, no doubt it had some issues along the way, but the latest build has been working very well for me.

DX12 is a good thing for performance and thats Windows 10 exclusive and I’m guessing will be the graphics API of choice since it’s also the primary API used for XBOX.

Since Microsoft are planning to stay in the console market and compete with Sony’s PS5 due out sometime 2020 with 8K resolution support, DX12 will be an important API to stay competitive as will the next version of XBOX.

More importantly, DX12 should scale better from low end hardware to the more extreme hardware than can work 8K resolution ... so everyone should see some benefit.

Don’t fear Windows 10, its come a long way over the years.

Cheers, Rob

 

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21 minutes ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

3rd party development, excellent news indeed.

Cheers, Rob

Nice to see you back Rob. It's going to be a fun ride!

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The updated information is indeed the best news and I like that they refer to "previous missteps". I hope this means that 3rd party developers will not face the FSW type of problems that will prohibit them to join and flourish in the new platform. 

However, the million dollar question for me is what happens with addons compatibility. What happens with all these add-on aircraft/sceneries/utilities for which we have paid big money in Prepar3D, and I'm refering mainly to aircraft and airports, as regional scenery seems it won't be needed in MSFS.

The aircraft/airport sceneries that we have in P3D have their roots in FSX code, but I guess these developers if they join will release new versions for the new MSFS. So we will have to re-pay all these again? That's a big loss for me which I don't know if I can afford, I guess many will also not afford. 

For the same reason I'm planning to freeze all my Prepar3D/X-Plane purchases until I know more about what the future of 3rd party and Microsoft is and as time moves on, we will have to start asking this question to the developers and get an honest reply. That's the biggest question and the biggest problem for me. A transition cost will be too expensive.

If Microsoft is an absolute success and a welcome environment for 3rd party, like it was FSX, then the next big questions is how LM and X-Plane will follow. Will they have a separate defined role to play or MSFS will shallow these platforms in the end?

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22 minutes ago, Bert Pieke said:

And.. for some of us, this will mean having to move to Windows 10 from Windows 7..

Just to try a new sim..  Just pause and think about that for a minute..  :unsure:

I'm thinking about it, and I'm hoping this new product will convince all the sim pilots using XP and Win7 to switch to Win10. Because that's good for the entire community, not just you.

Old OS versions without current updates are vulnerable to low-level malware attacks that can't be blocked with antivirus software. Your machine can become a malware server that affects everyone else. It's what happened with XP computers in the European attacks that shut down hospitals in 2017. It just happened again in Baltimore, where the city computers running XP were taken over.

Win7 will become the next malware target when MS drops support. You have a target on your back if you use an unsupported OS. Upgrade to Win10 not just for your own ability to run the latest software like this new flight sim, but because it's the right thing to do as a responsible computer user.

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3 minutes ago, Daedalus said:

If Microsoft is an absolute success and a 3rd party welcome environment like it was FSX, then there are big questions about how LM and X-Plane will follow. 

I don't think that this will bother LM in the least. X-Plane is a different story altogether although my guess is that it would push them to develop their product even further. Competition is never a bad thing.

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2 hours ago, strider1 said:

🙄 So you were reading, decided to stop reading so you can post here, then you finished reading and posted again 🤣

Silly in hindsight, but at the time I had opened the link and didn't know if it was multiple pages long.

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Oh oh...Things seem to be coming out rather in the right direction for me ( 3rd party development)...Wait and see.

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