As long as those wet markets and illegal markets in Asia are still happening then we will keep getting these viruses no matter how much time the WHO trys to come up with fancy names to take the publics mind away from the route of the problem. 

It's nature's way of telling us not to treat animals so inhumanly.  

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by fluffyflops

1 hour ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

FYI Bubonic plaque is still around today (one bite from an infected flea is all it takes).

Bubonic plaque. Sounds like a serious dental issue. I guess the lesson here is not to bite any infected fleas. What about Bubonic Plague, is that still about too? 🤣

2 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

If you look at human history, the odds of this happening now and again comes with almost a 100% certainty.  Bill Gates is just one of many that expected this event to happen.  In many ways, we're fortunate COVID-19 has only about 1-3% death rate vs. Bubonic plaque that killed 50 Million in Europe (about 33% death rate) ... FYI Bubonic plaque is still around today (one bite from an infected flea is all it takes).

CDC is our primarily line of defense (which has been underfunded and people like Bill Gates have stepped in with Billions of his own money to help not just the US but the entire global population).  However, it seems we humans have become somewhat all too comfortable that science will have all the answers and solutions ... which is just false sense of security.

As the world population continues to increase unrestricted, so will the odds of us encountering more pandemics.  We had minor events like Mad Cow Disease that was mostly from UK, Canada, and US ... these were contained quickly, but the CDC has a huge task to try and manage incidents like this 24/7 globally.  Like it or not, we're one planet and isolationism/nationalism is meaningless ... to survive we all need to work as one.

What we shouldn't do is panic because it solves nothing and only makes matters worse.

Cheers, Rob.

Rob i am with you there , It’s important to note that we humans have a fairly high self-esteem. For us, we are the ultimate outcome of life on the planet. We can certainly recognize that in several respects we are worthy of admiration for having been able to guard against the defense mechanisms, the antibodies that the earth uses to try to contain the species that live in us and could threaten our equilibrium. Thus, we managed to get out of the competition between species by becoming the only and ultimate predator. We also invented ways to protect ourselves from the cold, from the hot, to resist natural disasters, to survive those viruses and infections. We even manage today to modify the basic code of life, claiming to be able to improve it. In a few decades we have gone from millions to billions, nothing can stop us. If it weren't for ourselves, we would speak, to describe this phenomenon, of an invasive species, an epidemic, a resistant bacteria or a cancer. All living organisms which, like us, have managed to exceed the limits of their environment to grow until the exhaustion of the resources which make them live. When we fly over Earth at night even in our sim , cities look like cells that stretch their illuminated highway filaments toward other cells to feed and grow. Many, though less and less, have hope for the future. However, like other living organisms that multiply without constraints, it seems unnatural for humans to change their trajectory. Human intelligence makes it possible to observe, collect data and predict, but seems powerless to act to slow down, decrease.

We can certainly imagine that, like humans, planets like Earth can see their lives threatened for various reasons: old age, lightning shock, dazzling cancer....etc..Could we also imagine, dream, that cancer, becoming aware of its nature and that its growth at the expense of the vehicle that carries it will lead to its loss, manages to mobilize all its energies to participate in the healing of the body that it makes you sick? And that each of its cells has the firm conviction that it has an urgent role to play in order to avoid disaster? If the participants in the human adventure, rather than contemplating their greatness, succeeded in effecting this reversal, it would certainly be the greatest achievement of their intelligence, a quantum leap in the evolution of their species.

Also  Individually, we as humans do not have the capacity to see things on a scale larger than our life expectancy, a few decades (and this is still a great challenge, our political systems seeing the future in a shorter time term, in the next elections). Even civilizations have not seen things for over a century, and just about ALL great civilizations have collapsed at one time or another.

Obviously, I have no answer to these questions ... otherwise I would be a politician and I could make promises lol...

tchao,

henry

35 minutes ago, Chock said:

Bubonic plaque. Sounds like a serious dental issue. I guess the lesson here is not to bite any infected fleas. What about Bubonic Plague, is that still about too? 🤣

Haha, That's hilarious. What's really funny is that I made a humours post in this thread too and it was immediately deleted. But not yours Chock

38 minutes ago, Chock said:

Sounds like a serious dental issue

Easily cured by a Colgate thing, right?.

Cheers, Ed

In New Zealand we are always prepared for a major earthquake, that includes a massive rainwater storage system on my property (most people have one), plus another even larger tank down the road for our street as a backup. supply of food always in storage, a garden of food that grows year round, and if we have to Rabbits are an introduced evasive species and the population is rampant in my neighbourhood, you are allowed to kill and eat them anytime, and plenty of sheep in the hills above us and fish and shell fish to forage in the inlet. We are prepared if our infrastructure is gone for pretty much an indefinite period of time. Because of that anything else like an outbreak we are covered as well. Only thing that wasn't in my earthquake cache was toilet paper and I still didn't bother with that one, we also have leaves 🤣

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by Matthew Kane

Edit.

 

Just saw the Movie "Contagion" from 2011,

everything very, very real,

they just missed the economic collapse we are facing now.

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by Nedo68

All I will say.

If all looking bad. Please Asobo let us all have access to the Alpha. 

Never take hope away it may be all we have!

To be fair we have had a lot of Plagues in the last 500 years so we should not be surprised!

H.

Edited March 14, 20206 yr by Hamish100
added info

Maybe it is natures way of telling us that we just cannot keep on reproducing as we are, and that if we dont stop it, the world will, at some stage be struck with a major event, that will do the job for us. 

Watch Pandemic Series on Netflix. It is right on the money. Also I just finished my 14 day quarantine from Corona Virus exposure in the ER  I  work at in Nashville. Seen the awful effects from the H1N1 few years ago. This isnt that bad Yet.

Edited March 15, 20206 yr by t4murphy

Ugly side of greed.

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB11blvS?m=en-us&ocid=News

 

Edited March 15, 20206 yr by TuFun

10 minutes ago, TuFun said:

Ugly side of greed.

https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB11blvS?m=en-us&ocid=News

 

They are now saying Hand Sanitizer doesn't work, soap and hot water is best approach, those fellas deserve what they get
https://www.insider.com/why-soap-is-better-defense-against-coronavirus-than-hand-sanitizer-2020-3

Soap and warm water is fine but plenty of it. Diluting any viral contamination is important.

Wash like a surgeon does, individual fingers and thumbs, palms, and back of hands for 20 secs at least. Very important to dry thoroughly - if you've washed properly your towels will not have virus on them but it is prudent to use fresh ones every day. Wash towels and clothes in hot water - 30-40 degrees in economy (i.e. low volume wash) may not kill or wash away the blighters.

Avoid touching nose, mouth and eyes.

Sorry if you know all this, but if it helps even one guy I'm glad I posted it.

17 hours ago, Rob_Ainscough said:

If you look at human history, the odds of this happening now and again comes with almost a 100% certainty.  Bill Gates is just one of many that expected this event to happen.  In many ways, we're fortunate COVID-19 has only about 1-3% death rate vs. Bubonic plaque that killed 50 Million in Europe (about 33% death rate) ... FYI Bubonic plaque is still around today (one bite from an infected flea is all it takes).

CDC is our primarily line of defense (which has been underfunded and people like Bill Gates have stepped in with Billions of his own money to help not just the US but the entire global population).  However, it seems we humans have become somewhat all too comfortable that science will have all the answers and solutions ... which is just false sense of security.

As the world population continues to increase unrestricted, so will the odds of us encountering more pandemics.  We had minor events like Mad Cow Disease that was mostly from UK, Canada, and US ... these were contained quickly, but the CDC has a huge task to try and manage incidents like this 24/7 globally.  Like it or not, we're one planet and isolationism/nationalism is meaningless ... to survive we all need to work as one.

What we shouldn't do is panic because it solves nothing and only makes matters worse.

Cheers, Rob.

It should also be noted that sanitary measures during the middle ages were pretty much non existent. Things were better by 1918 (Spanish Flu) but no where near what we have had at our disposal for the last 50 years or so. My opinion is that a bug is going to have a much harder time racking up body counts than at any time in human history.