Xtreme Prototypes new webpage: Model 25 SE v3 now for sale

[Chock 17,769]

Had version 1 of their Lear and it was/is good, but can't use it because when I use their contact form for support on installing it, I get a message saying I've missed out a field on the form, which I haven't.

[Gazzareth 808]

1 hour ago, Dyno152 said:

How does this compare to the FlySimwear Lear 35A? 

Version 2 was graphically superior to the FlySimWare 35a, but let down by systems. If they are fixed (which seems to be the case), then it's a good competition between the two - possibly down to if the 35's extra ~1000nm is of interest to you!

 

G

[jalbino59 114]

35 minutes ago, guibru said:

FSX and P3Dv4.5.

OK thanks for the info.  I'm downloading now.  Hoping its ok with my config and hardware. 

[Dyno152 51]

9 minutes ago, Gazzareth said:

Version 2 was graphically superior to the FlySimWare 35a, but let down by systems. If they are fixed (which seems to be the case), then it's a good competition between the two - possibly down to if the 35's extra ~1000nm is of interest to you!

 

G

Appreciate it. The cockpit textures seem much more crisp on the 25 but I'm a fan of having a little more "modern" jet. What a dilemma 😄

[Gazzareth 808]

1 hour ago, Dyno152 said:

Appreciate it. The cockpit textures seem much more crisp on the 25 but I'm a fan of having a little more "modern" jet. What a dilemma 😄

Lol they are, in all honesty the 35 and 25 feel quite similar in terms of age. Cockpit technology is not much more advanced in the 35, main difference in terms of aircraft (at least for me) is the 25's engines have more power, and the 35 has better range. 

 

Should say 99% of my flights are well within the capabilities of the 25, but with the 35 I can stay lower and go to mmo - the 25 I may have to go higher and slower. Not realistic, but I don't have to pay for fuel 😉

 

G

[ComSimPilot 623]

I'd be really fine to pay for the upgrade if I saw some more significant changes. Most of the changes I see could qualify for an update than a new version.

Disappointed v3 does not include PBR textures, windshield rain effects and icing. For that upgrade price I would expect those to be included.

Edited June 12, 2020 by ComSimPilot

[CFIJose 5,485]

5 hours ago, odourboy said:

$15

Probably won't buy you one quality pizza pie. 😀

Edited June 12, 2020 by DJJose

[odourboy 1,289]

20 minutes ago, DJJose said:

Probably won't buy you one quality pizza pie. 😀

You asked. I answered. At $40 USD, I won't be upgrading. At $15, I would. Their costs are sunk, so my $15 would have been gravy. 

[JLuis 409]

13 minutes ago, odourboy said:

You asked. I answered. At $40 USD, I won't be upgrading. At $15, I would. Their costs are sunk, so my $15 would have been gravy. 

Remembering that it's not just $40, but v2 full price $ 39.95 + v3 upgrade price $ 39.95 = $79.90 for this addon.

This time I will pass.

[Dean33 69]

But if PMDG brought out another NGX would you part with $80 odd?  
 

V2 was THE most detailed LearJet. I didn’t like the speed control (and said so) but the cockpit was beautiful. 
 

To me $40 for even a refresh after 4 or so years seems a good investment. 

Buying tonight...

[Dirk98 354]

8 hours ago, snapshot21 said:

The problem is that SPD mode on a real lear 25 used pitch to control your airspeed and they never had autothrottles. On the XP Lear v2, it acted like an autothrottle (it controlled your throttle levers) instead of using pitch. There was a big discussion about this in an old thread here on avsim.

Its a moot point though as they seem to have fixed it now with v3 😄

Have they or have they not? It's an immediate buy for me if they have. But have they really??

Thanks.

 

[lownslo 592]

I've not purchased yet... still reading the manual.  But it seems to me that the user can go either way with the Lear 25 SE v3 simulation: SPD/MACH (autothrottle) or SPD P (pitch).  This from the manual:

Greg

Edit to add: In the pic, the left two columns of actions are for the real 25 SE while the right two columns are for the Xtreme Protoype's model.

 

Edited June 12, 2020 by lownslo

[JRMurray 214]

1 hour ago, Dirk98 said:

Have they or have they not? It's an immediate buy for me if they have. But have they really??

According to the manual, there are two Korry switches in the mode selector panels: SPD and SPD P. The former is used as an autothrottle. From the manual: "this switch, when depressed, will engage the autopilot Airspeed Hold mode. The SPD Hold mode maintains the aircraft at the indicated airspeed that existed when the switch was depressed." The developers recognize that the Lear did not have this mode. Also from the manual:

"the real Gates Learjet Model 25 is not equipped with an autothrottle for SPD/MACH Hold, even though we give our users the option to use the autothrottle that is readily available in the current simulation platforms. We know purists may find this feature unrealistic in the case of the Learjet 25 (the autopilot in the real aircraft maintains speed/ Mach by varying the aircraft’s pitch) but the vast majority of our users still appreciate the convenience of an autothrottle, especially when learning to fly the aircraft when there is so much to do. However, if you prefer not to use the autothrottle to better conform to the mode of operation of the real aircraft, we now give you the option to use the new “Speed Hold by Pitch” mode with its own limitations."

The latter, SPD P, is the "speed hold by pitch." Again, from the manual: "this switch, when depressed, disengages all autopilot vertical modes and engages the 'Speed Hold by Pitch' (SPD P) mode. Note: Not available in the Classic cockpit configuration."

"The 'Speed Hold by Pitch' mode is a legacy autopilot mode, arguably a precursor to what eventually became the “Flight Level Change” mode, which maintains the airspeed by varying the aircraft’s pitch in climb or descent. However, it must not be confused with the latter. The SPD P mode in the Gates Learjet Model 25 is not a 'Flight Level Change' mode, nor a Vertical Speed (VS) mode.

'Because the aircraft will pitch up and down to maintain speed, thus creating unavoidable oscillations, this mode is not recommended for level flight and cannot be used concurrently with the autopilot SPD/Mach, ALT, ATT, G/S and C/APPR modes, for obvious reasons.'

Hope this helps.

Edited June 12, 2020 by JRMurray
Tidy up formatting

[mikealpha 266]

A quote from the manual :

Note: Significantly modifying the simulator’s built-in autopilot goes beyond the scope of this project aimed at producing a reasonably priced complex addon for the general public and the average user.

Makes me wonder how 60$ (and 40$ update price) can be called reasonable, for a not even authentic AP.

 

[Gazzareth 808]

1 hour ago, mikealpha said:

A quote from the manual :

Note: Significantly modifying the simulator’s built-in autopilot goes beyond the scope of this project aimed at producing a reasonably priced complex addon for the general public and the average user.

Makes me wonder how 60$ (and 40$ update price) can be called reasonable, for a not even authentic AP.

 

Pretty sure that line came in when people started pointing out that speed hold should be by pitch, which it is now. Don't know if they have changed anything else....

 

G