1 hour ago, mtr75 said:

People like that will use it 3-4 times and forget it. That's my opinion.

And exactly why does this matter?  Even if you're right.

Hook

18 minutes ago, Farlis said:

Chinese simmers

MSFS apparently will not be available in China. 😄 

Hook

3 hours ago, hangar said:

I'm a teacher, and teaching I can tell you is all about language. Beginners in this genre will respond subconsciously and understand what is meant by "continue for west departure", whereas they wouldn't understand a phrase such as "cleared for the NIYAK departure". My feeling is that they are likely doing it intentionally to more easily teach beginners about flying and atc in very general terms. They are not approaching it in the same way that a real flight instructor would, to a serious student preparing for actual flight.

I think that beginners and casual flyers will appreciate that generalized approach, and I think that the hardcore enthusiasts will absolutely hate it. But that's what 3rd party addons are for 🙂... to bring BOTH types of users to the table, all using the same base simulator (and in MP) and keeping them all happy/comfortable at their own level of expertise.

Eggzactly!

Experienced simmers may hate that the phraseology is not exact, but they will at least know what it means, whereas such terms of the art tossed at your average user will make as much sense (to them) as "Press to Meco" snapped out during a rocket launch.

Real pilots will likely either have to see the logic of this and adapt for the greater good, wait for a third party mod, or take the offered cookie and go on Vatsim.

9 minutes ago, HiFlyer said:

Eggzactly!

Experienced simmers may hate that the phraseology is not exact, but they will at least know what it means, whereas such terms of the art tossed at your average user will make as much sense (to them) as "Press to Meco" snapped out during a rocket launch.

Real pilots will likely either have to see the logic of this and adapt for the greater good, wait for a third party mod, or take the offered cookie and go on Vatsim.

Dunno why they'd think going on Vatsim would be massively more realistic - having the same controller with you for hundreds of nautical miles over Europe especially, even if they are using the correct phraseology, isn't realistic either.

1 minute ago, Chock said:

realistic either.

Sometimes, "What I'm accustomed to." and "Realistic." seem to become interchangeable. 

I'm too introverted to use Vatsim. It will be the default ATC or a add-on if they make one that is more realistic. 

2 minutes ago, Lotharen said:

I'm too introverted to use Vatsim. It will be the default ATC or a add-on if they make one that is more realistic. 

You are probably not alone, and I'm sure there will be something for you - either from Asobo or a 3rd party. 

To the OP, I don't agree with anything you have said, in fact I think you are totally misguided. You don't like FS? That's perfectly fine, don't buy it, its always your choice. Personally I don't care either way. I LOVE it and think it really is the best thing since sliced bread! I also love Mercedes-Benz cars, oh and Aston Martin's, and I can't stand Fords but I haven't vilified them on their website or Facebook page! To each his own.

I haven't read all the comments, but the original post is a joke.  Do they not have the right to hype their own product?  This is the first sim in how many years?

I can promise you there are plenty of IRL pilots in the testing phase.  I'm one of them.

Side-note...from another post I saw just posted here:  When it comes down to release time there's always going to be testers who don't think the developers can fix all the bugs that have been reported.  That's because we don't have the gold copy.  We know as much as everyone else at this point.  At some point we need to let them work and get the product ready for release.

They may very well NOT get everything fixed, but I can guarantee you that we'll have a very good sim at release.  Everything else will come, and there are certainly no show stoppers.  They have struck a great balance when you think about just how many types of simmers/customers they need to attract at release along with the setups they might have.  

We're all pretty much hard core simmers here in these forums; at least for another few days.  I think we've pretty much seen that the sim for us will at least have the 'parameters' times a million compared to our current sims, for us to do pretty much anything we want going forward.  PMDG coming out early should have been enough for you to believe that--and they made that statement based off an incomplete SDK.  Even if you're not a PMDG customer you should have been able to read between the lines there.  I mean c'mon folks.

Will it be perfect at launch?  Probably not, but you're going to have tons of fun and have plenty of exploring to do in the meantime.

As far as those who still want default ATC after all these years...I don't even know what to say to that...ROFL!  That shouldn't even be a feature IMO.

8 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

Will it be perfect at launch?  Probably not, but you're going to have tons of fun and have plenty of exploring to do in the meantime.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Good stuff! 🙂

Edited August 11, 20205 yr by n4gix
Removed unnecessary long quote!

9 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

As far as those who still want default ATC after all these years...I don't even know what to say to that...ROFL!  That shouldn't even be a feature IMO.

Jeff, for whatever it's worth, at least this new version of ATC is being voiced at a natural speed unlike FS9's and FSX's really clunky and s l o w pace using pre-recorded snippets - over 10,000 counting all of the actors voices - then spliced together into complete phrases!

Face it, without the brilliant EditVoicePak utility it would have been an intolerable past many years... 😄

Just now, n4gix said:

Jeff, for whatever it's worth, at least this new version of ATC is being voiced at a natural speed unlike FS9's and FSX's really clunky and s l o w pace using pre-recorded snippets - over 10,000 counting all of the actors voices - then spliced together into complete phrases!

Face it, without the brilliant EditVoicePak utility it would have been an intolerable past many years... 😄

I hear ya, but honestly, how do you get something to do a million different possible combinations?  I mean, IRL nowadays, half the time you're just gonna get a big fat direct anyways.  Anything after that and ATC has already tossed the arrival or departure long ago!  It just seems kind of pointless to have AI ATC, IMO.

1 minute ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

Anything after that and ATC has already tossed the arrival or departure long ago!  It just seems kind of pointless to have AI ATC, IMO.

I live well within the shadows of both KMDW and KORD com range. I hear far more com chatter from FSX/P3D than I've ever heard from real aircraft, so I do understand your point! 

8 minutes ago, Jeff Nielsen said:

I hear ya, but honestly, how do you get something to do a million different possible combinations?  I mean, IRL nowadays, half the time you're just gonna get a big fat direct anyways.  Anything after that and ATC has already tossed the arrival or departure long ago!  It just seems kind of pointless to have AI ATC, IMO.

I'm not sure where are getting this information. All airlines abligated to use SID and STAR! They are specifically designed for conjested airspaces. 

6 hours ago, mtr75 said:

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Now, if ATC stops giving 60-degree heading corrections every 20 minutes because you're 3 degrees off course like we've been dealing with for the last 20 years (FSX/P3D), I will consider ATC in MSFS to be a victory. But the phraseology is all wrong, up to and including instructions or reports that I've never heard given to an actual pilot in my lifetime. So one has to wonder, where did they come up with some of this stuff?! The FAA publishes a Pilot-Controller Glossary. I'm guessing the Europeans publish something similar (and what there is of somewhat standard ATC speak in the game is clearly European-centric). Yet clearly none of this was used. WHY?

 

MSFS ATC is not perfect but better than FSX IMHO. And I bet there will be more updates to come.

By the way there are many real world pilots in beta. From privates to ATPs and CFIs. I believe new ATC was build on copy from FSX, but there are a lot of bugs being filed in that regard in beta forum